Continuing their conversation with Valerie Pullen, Jason and Jolene take the topic from yoga to reiki, which both Val and Jolene are practitioners of. What is reiki and how does it work? And what's all this talk of spirit and higher vibrations? Sound too woo for you? Fear not! It'll all make sense by the time the episode is done.

You can find Val at https://valkyriespirit.janeapp.com/

Or on Instagram at @valkyriespirit_

Music by Shawn Knippelberg of Bad Man Inc.