In this episode Jonathan talks about the shame and guilt he first felt when he realized he was gay.  However he explains that now he feels pride and joy with who he is and he explains how he does not let just one part of him define who he is.    He then speaks with Elena Joy Thurston, LGBTQ+ speaker, trainer, author and founder of the nonprofit Pride and Joy Foundation.  She talks about surviving conversion therapy and what it was like to come out as a lesbian being a part of the Mormon church.

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About Elena

A Mormon mom of four who lost her marriage, her church, and her community when she came out as a lesbian, Elena’s viral TEDx talk on surviving conversion therapy has been viewed 40,000+ times and landed her media and speaking opportunities with ABC, CBS, FOX, Boston’s First Event, Seacoast Wellness Series, and THRIVE. Elena inspires her audiences to learn how Emotional Intelligence can improve company morale and productivity, changing members' lives in a practical way.

Elena Joy powerfully connects with each of her audiences. She opens their hearts to their own humanity through connection and their own growth through inspiration.

Elena Joy Thurston Website:  https://www.elenajoyexperience.com