It was such a pleasure to connect with Dr. Martha Jo Atkins, who has build an entire career from "moving and out of the spaces" of grief. Our conversation meanders to some beautiful places, and there is no shortage of great resources, insights and information. By way of Official Biography, Martha Jo helps individuals and families create space for meaningful experiences at end of life. Dr. Atkins is the executive director at Abode Contemplative Care for the Dying, an interfaith non-profit whose mission is to care for people at end of life who have no place to go or no one to care for them. Before coming to Abode, Dr. Atkins founded the Children’s Bereavement Center of South Texas where she served as executive director for eight years. Dr. Atkins researches and teaches about the trajectory of dying. Her first book, Signposts of Dying, is available on Amazon. You can learn more about Dr. Atkins on her website or in our discussions in the Grief: A Love Story Facebook group. Other things we mention in the episode that y'all will probably want to check out:

• Death Over Dinner (who wants to invite me for dinner??)
• Elizabeth Kubler-Ross in the video Martha Jo cited when we spoke about infinite receiving.
• The Zen Hospice Project

This is (yet, another) interview that leaves me feeling so completely blessed to have these conversations. I hope you enjoy.