Kate and Michelle are joined by Shannon Heers, a perinatal mental health therapist, to talk about post-partum experiences, specifically the challenges of the "4th trimester" (the first three months after giving birth). Michelle and Shannon share their experiences with transitioning to motherhood and also share valuable tips and resources.

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