In this conversation, Clint Davis interviews Dr. Jo Anne Lyon, the former general superintendent emeriti of the Wesleyan Church. They discuss topics such as the Wesleyan Church's history and beliefs, Dr. Lyon's experience as the first female general superintendent, the role of the Holy Spirit in healing, and cultivating a relationship with the Holy Spirit. They also touch on the topics of suffering, worth and value, and how change happens. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the Holy Spirit's role in counseling and the need to move beyond cultural stereotypes and embrace the transformative power of God's Spirit. The conversation explores the concept of discipleship and the importance of following Jesus in every aspect of life. It emphasizes the need for believers to be mature and accountable, and to use their gifts and talents for the benefit of the community. The speakers discuss the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding and transforming individuals, and the importance of discerning the leading of the Spirit versus personal desires. They also highlight the value of art and creativity in expressing and sharing the message of Jesus. In this final part of the conversation, Clint and Jo Anne discuss the importance of speaking truth and grace, trusting God's vision, and being open to what God will do. They also talk about the need for funding and support in ministry and the importance of raising money. Jo Anne shares stories of her experiences in Sierra Leone and emphasizes the importance of taking steps of faith and trusting God's provision. They discuss the role of the church in overcoming evil with good and the need for every person to work together in the body of Christ. They encourage listeners to step out in faith and pursue their visions, trusting in God's guidance and provision.