In this episode, Jeff is joined by David Paulus and Joseph Zumerling, to talk shop and discuss their experiences in training and handling.  David and his Hovawart, K9 Gretel, have earned multiple GAK9 certifications in the field, suburban and urban environments. David has trained the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service K9 Unit, the Kent County, MI Sheriff’s Department K9 Unit, and multiple agencies in northern Illinois and southeastern Wisconsin.  Joe Zumerling is an active handler with the Orland Park police department and has partnered with David to improve trailing in the urban environment of the Milwaukee – Chicago corridor which has grown into a multi-agency training group.

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