This episode was inspired by a statement made in Kara Swisher's recent book, The Burn Book. Tina and Ann discuss how Trauma changed them for...wait for it...the better? How can that happen. Well, trauma is not what made them better, but their strength, determination and resilience changed trauma's path.

The two discuss how their trauma actually made them stronger and more determined. Ann realized that her creativity was born in the pain and isolation of her bedroom.. Tina learned how to hyperfocus to get through and overcome.

They two learned how that simple is good, family is everything and how to break the cycle. Ann learned one of life's most important lessons that got her through.

Join this twisty, curvy podcast and learn more of how Trauma shaped them and how they rose above their circumstances.

The Book A Loss that Lasts Forever by Kara Swisher is mentioned
The Sinful Woman by Ann Kagarise is mentioned

A quote was used by William Martin from The Parent's Tao Te Ching

Quote: There is no timestamp on trauma. There isn't a formula that you can insert yourself into to get from horror to healed. Be patient. Take up space. Let your journey be the balm." Dawn Serra

A quote by Plutarch: "What we change inwardly will change outer reality.

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