048 // Going Light with Joe Hollier & Kaiwei Tang of Light Phone

As It Goes

Apr 19 2023 • 53 mins

This week's conversation is one full of hope and liberation because we're joined by Joe Hollier and Kaiwei Tang, co-founders of Light and creators of the Light phone.

As Light describes themselves, "Light is a radically different technology company. We design beautiful tools that respect and empower our users."

We discuss what life feels like when we reclaim our autonomy, attention, and intention by turning our phone back into a tool that works for us, rather than us being caught in cycles of addiction (because smartphones and apps are psychologically addictive and designed to be so). And gosh, is Light the complete opposite of that.

Whether you've been swearing to get a flip phone for the past five years (me) or you can't imagine life without your iPhone, this conversation full of tips and anecdotes is for you!

Come fall in love with what life can be like when you go Light.


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(01:54) Introductions, the story of the Light phone in response to the overwhelming presence of tech in our lives, the impeccable design-centered thought behind it and how objects inspire action


(10:02) Who’s going Light? What does changing your relationship with your phone look like to reclaim it as a tool that works for you, not that you are a slave to?


(18:55) The experience of “going light” and all the moments we can reclaim; it’s all intentionality & agency


(35:26) Response to Light Phone from investors in regards to doing tech with a radically different and ethical mission; what it’s like paving a new wave for technology


(42:29) The vision for Light


(44:19) Advice for anyone if your phone is a problem in your life & book recommendations


(50:02) The skinny on going Light if you’re ready!


As Mentioned:

The Light Phone II: https://www.thelightphone.com/products

Buxton School Goes Light: https://medium.com/the-light-phone/buxton-school-goes-light-9ab46f290a7b

Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport https://bookshop.org/p/books/digital-minimalism-choosing-a-focused-life-in-a-noisy-world-cal-newport/12081448?ean=9780525536512

Deep Work by Cal Newport https://bookshop.org/p/books/deep-work-lib-e-rules-for-focused-success-in-a-distracted-world-cal-newport/12406220?ean=9781478909996

Check out Light's Alliance of Big Tech message: https://www.allianceofbigtech.com/ & https://www.thelightphone.com/bigtech


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