Alistair Maigurira and Peter Guess run a Diversity and Inclusion (D&I) Consultancy in South Africa called SALTAR (South Africa Let’s Talk About Race). Their vision is to create connection between people and ultimately a more inclusive world. In this interview, Alistair and Peter share their thoughts with us on:

• what exactly ‘race’ is and how we can best talk about it
• viewing race from a trauma-based perspective in order to find solutions
• the challenges around inclusion in the South African context
• how storytelling and coaching can help connect and de-traumatise people
• why their ultimate aim is that their services will no longer be required

The TED Talk that Alistair mentioned in this episode is Fadzi Whande: How Diversity Heaven can be Inclusion Hell.

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Music: Pablito's Way by Paolo Pavan