The constellation model of leadership with guest expert Matthew Barzun

My Quest for the Best with Bill Ringle

Jul 4 2022 • 50 mins

Matthew Barzun, author of The Power of Giving Away Power: How the Best Leaders Learn to Let Go Bill Ringle and Matthew Barzun discuss leadership insights for small business leaders from Matthew's perspective as a United States ambassador to Sweden and the United Kingdom. >>> Visit  for complete show notes and more expert advice and inspiring stories to propel your small business growth. My Quest for the Best is a top-rated small business podcast with over 300 episodes of thought-provoking and insightful interviews with today's top thought leaders and business experts. Host Bill Ringle’s mission with this show is to provide the strategies, insights, and resources that will unlock the growth potential of your business through these powerful conversations. Interview Insights Top 3 Takeaways A good meeting outcome is co-creation, which is to create something- a product, a plan, a concept- with your team. This creation will be a part of us and us a part of it. A team should be a constellation: Everyone is their star but together, they fit into something more significant. Our obsession with solutionism blinds us to the fact that not everything is a problem that needs to be solved. Sometimes we're having difficulties, and we can just go around them. Read the Show Notes from this Episode Jacques Barzun, a Provost at Columbia University, author of 40 books, and a man with a great understanding of life was his grandson Matthew's biggest inspiration growing up. [01:22] What business leaders can learn about meetings from Peter Drucker's guru, Mary Parker Follett. [03:51] The Mary Parker Follet test: The four possible outcomes in a meeting and the only one that is worthwhile. [05:30] We should expect three things after a meeting: To be needed, to need others, and to be changed. [07:05] The power of PowerPoint; how this basic and common tool changed the power structure in meetings. [07:41] Matthew's take on Amazon's 6-page brief model of collaborative discussion and the west's obsession with the whiteboard. [09:03] The difference between the pyramid and the constellation. To better picture, the metaphor, grab a 1-dollar bill. [10:38] The internet itself is a constellation. Matthew explains why the world's most impactful innovations and successful businesses are organized this way.[13:38] "What is the opposite of winning and losing?" Matthew asked this question a thousand times. [16:03] The west's obsession with solutionism- the idea that everything needs to be solved.[17:48] After a stand-up comedian Jimmy Carr conversation, Matthew concluded that leadership is a joke. [20:09] My Quest for the Best lighting round begins. [34:12] Former President Barack Obama's advice for his then-first-time diplomat.[37:00] Expert Bio Matthew Barzun has always been fascinated by how we can stand out and fit in simultaneously. He helped countries do both when he served as US Ambassador to the United Kingdom and Sweden. He helped citizens do both as National Finance Chair for Barack Obama by pioneering new ways for people to have a stronger voice in politics. And he helped tech consumers do both as an entrepreneur when he helped start CNET Networks in the early 90s. Barzun was raised on the East Coast, started his career on the West Coast, and settled in the middle in Louisville, Kentucky, with his wife, Brooke, and their three children. Contact Info and Social Media for Matthew Barzun Primary website Travels from: Louisville, KY Connect on: Twitter | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook Resources Mentioned During the Interview Below are key people, places, books, quotes, websites and other resources that we discussed, so you can explore further. Mary Parker Follett Matthew Barzun The Power of Giving Away Power free excerpt download Peter Drucker Barack Obama PowerPoint VISA