Rory Sutherland, Vice Chairman of Ogilvy UK and author, talks with Eric and co-host DuBose Cole about everything from payment models to a London shop called Bacon Sandwich. Rory is fascinated by the intersection between behavioral science and advertising. A true advertising legend, Rory's latest book is Alchemy: The Magic of Original Thinking in a World of Mind-Numbing Conformit (2021).

Scratch is a production of Rival, a marketing innovation consultancy that develops strategies and capabilities that help businesses grow faster. Scratch is hosted by Eric Fulwiler, and he’s joined by Bryant Garvin of Ozlo Sleep in this episode. Past guests include CMOs from Mastercard, GE, Shell, Hyperloop, Adobe, PepsiCo, and Papa Johns.