**Trigger Warning** - This episode includes sensitive content that some people may find distressing. It is with reference to a case that Lord Thomas presided over (time code: 0:49:09).

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd was Lord Chief Justice from 2013 to 2017.

In 2016 Lord Thomas found himself in the eye of the storm when he and fellow judges ruled that the Government needed the approval of Parliament before triggering Brexit. He also endured a turbulent time in his four years at the top of the judiciary, clashing with the then Lord Chancellor/Justice Secretary, Liz Truss.

The interview is conducted by Frances Gibb, journalist and former legal editor of The Times, for a landmark podcast series, The Judges: Power, Politics and the People, hosted by The University of Law.