Hosts Andy and Tom talk about a $23 million plan to redevelop downtown's deserted Saks Fifth Avenue shop, the death of a $100 million joint venture with Cincinnati Children's Hospital, a group that wants to become the national standard for DEI and social impact, the relocation of an iconic downtown retailer and why the Bengals provide the NFL's best value.

Interview starts at (22:20). Josh Wamsley could have become a traveling journalist, documenting the stories of people from South Korea to Saudi Arabia, except on a trip home to Cincinnati in between gigs, he had a really bad taco. So he went to Mexico and used his journalism background to immerse himself in the culinary tradition of Oaxaca, taking what he learned and using that to open Mazunte in Madisonville. He's now grown Mazunte to three locations in Cincinnati, and is opening a fourth in Lexington, Ky.

Above the Fold is a podcast by the Cincinnati Business Courier.