Many voters from both parties are less than enthusiastic about their likely options this November.

This week the Opinion writer and editor Katherine Miller joins Michelle, Lydia and Carlos to talk about uncommitted voters, double haters and how they could affect the election, whether they turn out or not.

Plus, Lydia makes a plea against the tyranny of clean lines and interior design monoculture.

(A full transcript of this audio essay will be available within 24 hours of publication on the Times website.)

Mentioned in this episode:

• “Black Pastors Pressure Biden to Call for a Cease-Fire in Gaza,” by Maya King for The Times
• “Joe Biden’s Last Campaign,” by Evan Osnos in The New Yorker

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