Prison is supposed to protect, deter,  and rehabilitate. But what if isn't a very effective way of doing those things? My guests offer two different visions of how the prison system could be re-imagined - including a glimpse of a Norwegian prison that looks nicer than most college dorms.

Featuring

Dr David Scott - abolitionism activist and scholar from the Open University

Are Hoidal - former warden of Halden Prison in Norway

For background reading and a list of references, visit cantseethewood.com