This episode comes from a discontinued podcast called Debatable.

The relationship between fat and health is often presented as linear but there are activists and medical professionals who argue that things are far more complex.

In this episode, Cait asks: Does being fat always mean you're unhealthy? Should fatness carry shame? Is 'curing' obesity as simple as changing your lifestyle? Should society change to accommodate bigger bodies? And how does fatness interact with other social justice issues like racism, disability and feminism?

Guests include fat liberation activist Jackie Maris, journalist Lizzie Cernik (who wrote this Guardian article titled 'It's not fine to be fat) and the scientific director of Obesity Canada, Dr Arya Sharma.

For background reading and a list of references, visit cantseethewood.com