After the murder of George Floyd by a police officer in 2020, the call from protestors was to defund the police. Since then, media coverage of this debate has waned but the problem of police violence hasn't gone anywhere. Cait interviews reformer Arthur Rizer and "defunder" Alex Vitale to unpack the arguments on both sides.

Interviewees:

Alex Vitale - Author of The End of Policing, professor of sociology at Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center, visiting professor at London South Bank University, coordinator of the Policing and Social Justice Project.

Arthur Rizer - Conservative criminal justice consultant, adjunct professor at George Mason Law School, former soldier, police officer and federal prosecutor.

Art by: Danielle Khoury

Music by: Lexin Music from Pixabay

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Sources:

• https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/prevalence-white-supremacists-law-enforcement-demands-drastic-change-2022-05-12/
  
  
• https://www.economist.com/special-report/2022/09/12/the-public-wants-to-refund-not-defund-the-police
  
  
• https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-05-27/the-politics-of-policing
  
  
• https://www.npr.org/2021/11/02/1051617581/minneapolis-police-vote
  
  
• https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/orlando-6-year-old-arrested.html
  
  
• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/14624745211045652

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