Derwin Gray is back on the podcast! And this time, he joins us LIVE in studio! On today’s episode, Patrick and Derwin talk about his latest book, How To Heal Our Racial Divide, which examines what the Bible has to say about healing the persistent racial divides that threaten our nation. Derwin is a former NFL player and the founding and lead pastor of Transformation Church, one of the fastest-growing churches in America. Hear him discuss how he personally handles racial hatred and animosity he’s encountered. Plus, what’s so bad about segregated churches anyway? Is nationalism really that bad for your faith? Listen as Derwin answers these tough questions and issues a specific challenge to white Christians on how to confront systemic racism head-on. Don’t miss this one! Ok, truth time... Did you like this episode? Tell us by leaving a rating or review! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 If you did, you won't want to miss what's next (so subscribe now!). And help a friend by sharing this with them. Thank you! 🙏 Plus, the conversation is just beginning! Follow us on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram to join in on the dialogue! If you disagree with anything in this episode, we'd love to hear your thoughts here. Want to learn more about Truth Over Tribe? Visit our website and subscribe to our weekly newsletter. Resources Buy the Truth Over Tribe Book  Bonus Resources from the Book  Subscribe to the TOT Newsletter Buy the How to Heal Our Racial Divide Book Buy The Good Life Book