Gene and cohost Tim Swartz present UFO and paranormal investigator Brent Raynes , who began researching UFO events in the late 60s and met nearly every major contactee and researcher in the field. He wrote articles for Fate Magazine, Recovery Times, and various other magazines as well as writing a chapter for Dr. Bert Schwarz’s “UFO Dynamics,” sections for Dr. Greg Little’s “Grand Illusions”and “People of the Web.” He has also presented at several major UFO conferences and been a co-leader of tours to American mound sites. Raynes is the author of such books as “Visitors from Hidden Realms” (2004), “On The Edge of Reality” (2009) and “John A. Keel: The Man, The Myths, and the Ongoing Mysteries” (2019). This interview focuses mainly on Keel and the strange phenomena he explored over the years, plus Raynes’ own paranormal experiences, including the possibility of communicating with Keel after the latter’s death.