From working with refugees in Houston and El Salvador to working in community mental health and the “NATSAP World”, Daniel Fishburn has dedicated his life to serving others.  He’s been a mentor, colleague and friend of mine for years, so I was super excited to have him on the podcast!

Here’s a bit of what we covered in this episode:

• Pros and cons of for-profit vs. not-for-profit healthcare and treatment
• Human-centered capitalism
• The journey from addiction to recovery
• Spirituality in life and leadership
• The stories we tell ourselves
• Employee retention vs. team development and the role of a leader
• The concept of ‘no-self’ and how it pertains to leadership
• The good, the bad, and the ugly of NATSAP

This was a super wide ranging episode -- hope you enjoy listening!

Daniel Fishburn is a licensed clinical social worker, leader in recovery, and former CEO with a longstanding background in wilderness therapy programs and hands-on service to marginalized populations in the United States and abroad. He recently opened his private practice, DBF Counseling, in Asheville, NC. To learn more about Daniel check out his website: https://dbfcounseling.com/.