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Nicole Obi, president and CEO of the Black Economic Council of Massachusetts (BECMA), never expected to be leading the organization a year or so after she began working with them as a consultant.

“It’s the hardest thing, but the most satisfying job I’ve ever had,” she says. “It’s stretching me personally and professionally.”

In this podcast episode of PNC C-Speak, Obi dives deep with hosts Carolyn Jones of the Boston Business Journal and Saskia Epstein, senior vice president, client and community relations, at PNC Bank. They discuss mistakes that turned to learning experiences, her advice for future leaders in the community and what she’s most optimistic about when it comes to building a more diverse workforce. Powered by PNC Bank.

Download a transcript of the podcast.