My guest this week is Jason Stanford. His book, which he wrote with authors Chris Tomlinson and Bryan Burrough, is called “Forget the Alamo: the Rise and Fall of an American Myth.” It was published earlier this month by Penguin Press and is an Amazon Bestseller.

Jason also publishes a very good weekly newsletter called the Jason Stanford Experiment and I recommend it. Subscribe at jasonstanford.substack.com

Jason and I talked about how what we know of as the story of the battle of the Alamo came to be, why its been only fairly recently that those 13 days in Texas history have been subject to academic rigor and the impact Phil Collins  has had on the current debate — yes, that Phil Collins.