Ben chats with Jo Handelsman, scientist extraordinaire, about her journey from viewing pond water underneath the microscope to full professorship, trying to save our soils, working for the Office of Science and Technology Policy during the Obama Administration, and now directing the Wisconsin Institute of Discovery. They dive into how science still needs to be improved to welcome and embrace more women and people in color, battling imposter syndrome, and what "luck" might actually be.

Jo's "A World Without Soil"-

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