The gentlemen continue their discussion on the 13th Amendment, Prison, and Slavery by opening with the definition of chattel slavery and how it relates to the modern carceral system. The hosts also delve into the dehumanization of black people and its effects on society by detailing the Dred Scott case and its similarities to “wards of the state.”

The profiteering off of prison labor is big business directly related to the erasure of humanity in the prison system, and our hosts give their thoughts on this fractured system plus more.