Join me and my guest, Reverend Kathleen McShane, as we explore one of my all-time favorite questions: "What occurs when spirituality serves as the driving force for social change?" Kathi introduces us to the Changemaker Initiative, a potent program designed for laypeople that harnesses the power of compassion and the example of Jesus as a changemaker to inspire social entrepreneurs in their quest for change. She also delves into her upcoming book, "Picking Up the Pieces: Leadership After Empire," which takes a critical look at traditional, masculine, pyramid-style leadership models and paves the way for innovative leadership approaches.

Kathi imparts profound insights about the two indispensable qualities a leader must possess, especially in the wake of a global crisis: humility and curiosity. Finally, we discuss the importance of self-compassion and self-care for leaders, recognizing them as inherent and unavoidable steps in all impactful and influential change-making efforts.

For Kathi's full bio, read here.
The Changemaker Initiative: https://thechangemakerinitiative.org/
Kathi's upcoming book (co-written with Elan Babchuck): https://www.pickingupthepiecesbook.org/

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