Writer and audio producer Alex Sujong Laughlin is here to guest co-host and we’re talking about hobbies where you grow and make things. We went deep thinking about why some people are drawn to these activities while others (Sally!) are not. Also, Alex shares a bunch of great tips for getting into gardening, composting for beginners and experts, and tons of (non-gardening) ways to be less extractive in your relationship with food and the earth.

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Things we talked about:

• The podcast Alex produces, Normal Gossip!
• Plant hardiness zones
• Hudson Valley Seed Co.
• I Tackled My Climate Anxiety by Becoming a Parks Department Super Steward by Stephanie Foo for Curbed
• Making Mr. Right
• They Thought I Was You

This episode was produced by Sally and Alex and edited by Aram Vartian. Our logo was designed by Amber Seger (@rocketorca). Our theme music is by Tiny Music. Follow us on Twitter @OhILikeThatPod and on Instagram @OhILikeThatPod.