In this episode, I talk with Sue Shapiro about American Shield, Barbie, and her broader publishing journey.

We cover:

Co-authoring and Jungian astrologists
How "every book breaks your heart in a different way"
Erika Jong and Howard Fast (and the self-published book that became a  famous movie)
Letting your emotions tell their own story
Barbies, failure, and reinvention

You can find out more about Sue here
You can buy the books we talked about in the episode here:
5 Men Who Broke My Heart
The Book Bible
Fear of Flying
American Shield: The Immigrant Sergeant Who Defended Democracy
Barbie
Speed Shrinking
Lighting Up
World In Between