Homages to Beverly Cleary, with Sarah Wendell, and to Cicely Tyson, with Soraya McDonald. Both Cleary and Tyson died this year, and Tressie and Roxane mark their passing with conversations about their extraordinary legacies. Plus, Tressie and Roxane weigh in on Senator Tim Scott and the burning question: is America a racist country? Spoiler alert: yes it is.

Hear To Slay theme music by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex Sugiura. Curtis Fox is the senior producer. Sarah Wyman and Catherine Fenollosa are the producers. Production help from Lauren Garcia and Kaityln Adams. Ali McPherson and Isoke Samuel are the interns.

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