If you enjoy flight metaphors, this is the episode for you! Chris talks to Art delaCruz of Team Rubicon, an extraordinary nonprofit that's shifting the future for veterans and communities affected by natural disasters. In 2021, Art filled the shoes of season 1 guest Jake Wood, the cofounder and former CEO of Team Rubicon.

In this episode, Art and Chris discuss:

• How Art got his start as a fighter pilot in the United States Navy
• The art of navigating the turbulent shift from chief operating officer to CEO at Team Rubicon
• How making high-stakes decisions at high velocity equipped Art for the world of disaster relief in the middle of COVID
• Whether the real Top Gun experience lives up to the movie
• How losing a $40 million plane transformed Art as a leader

And much more!