It's the second half of the original Something Who team chatting about a couple of stories set on giant spaceships: 5th Doctor story Four to Doomsday, from Season 19, and 11th Doctor caper Dinosaurs on a Spaceship from Series 7A. This episode largely features the latter story.

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Richard has another podcast with co-host Emily, called "If It's Hurting, It's not Working" and it's a fun and informative look at work - why we work, how we work, and what makes a great job. And also what makes a great workplace, how to turn things round when we're not enjoying our work and, in the end, how we can all make our work better. Go to https://ifhurtnotwork.podbean.com/ and https://ifhurtnot.work for more.

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