In this episode Perry Carpenter sits down with Rachel Tobac to debrief after her recent KB4-CON session, "How I'd Hack You Live" where she... well... hacked Perry live. Perry and Rachel explore how age-old deception techniques are being revamped for the digital age. The discussion spans the future of social engineering, the increasing role of AI in security, and a few other fun bits. Guest: Rachel Tobac (LinkedIn) (Twitter / X) (Website) Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show): KB4-CON 2024 Main Stage Sessions (Registration required) Deepfake scammer walks off with $25 million in first-of-its-kind AI heist, Ars Technica The Social Engineer's Playbook: A Practical Guide to Pretexting, by Jeremiah Talamantes The Art of Deception: Controlling the Human Element of Security, by Kevin Mitnick YouTube video: 60 minutes Here’s how I used AI to clone a 60 Minutes correspondent’s voice to trick a colleague YouTube video: It Was Easy to Hack a Billionaire YouTube video: Inside the Mind of an Ethical Hacker Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links) Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer Production Credits: Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks. Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com. 8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/ Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how: LinkedIn Twitter Instagram Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com