In this episode of The Dr. Rod Berger Show Rod, presented by Fair Observer, Rod sits down with Karen Greenberg the director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law. Her most recent book is Subtle Tools: The Dismantling of American Democracy from the War on Terror to Donald Trump. Her earlier books include Rogue Justice: The Making of the Security State (2016) and The Least Worst Place: Guantanamo’s First One Hundred Days (2010). Karen is a permanent member of the Council on Foreign Relations, an International Studies Fellow at New America, and a Visiting Fellow at the Soufan Center.