The Lady and The Dale is a docuseries about the trans woman who tried to revolutionize the auto industry with a three-wheeled car at the height of the 1970’s gas crisis. Brittany and Ronald discuss the life and story of Liz Carmichael, and how the haunting legacy of transphobia muddied the waters of her fraud trial. The Lady And The Dale co-director Zackary Drucker and historian Susan Stryker join Brittany and Ronald to talk about telling the story of this complicated woman and what the spirit of Liz Carmichael’s past might be trying to tell us today. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices