Welcome episode 12 of Two Trying Birds - we have called this the resilience one as its all about bouncing back. Slight trigger warning as Carlotta has a bit of breakdown at the beginning, when she 'confesses' to Jennifer about a slip - but it's a moment in time that is now passed, a doom spiral, and how we recover is important !! Our guest is the super inspiring Micheal Josephson who has such an incredible story to tell of resilience and recovery, his story is posted below but he has raised millions for children's charities and overcome using drink as a prop in his darkest days

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5700181/Cheshire-sex-abuse-survivor-42-turned-life-run-3m-year-firm-suicide-attempt.html

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Jennifer O'Donnell and Carlotta Allum witter on about trying not drink, with special guests