Abby Norman is a pastor, author, and a dear friend. She also happens to be a Christian, which I used to be but am not anymore. In this episode talk about our diverging spiritual paths, and how we each navigate our relationships with religion ... with and without God.

Abby also talks about her new book "You Can Talk to God Like That", available May 19 wherever books are sold.

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