In episode 5 of Season 2, Pete and Angus explore what is meant by 'suffering' in a spiritual context.

It's one of the topics that we have slightly different views on - so it made for a juicy conversation.

Essentially, we explore to what degree suffering is necessary for an individual to wake up... and since we have different experiences, we have divergent views.

Pete shares his personal journey to spirituality - via psychedelics - and gives a welcome reminder to all of us to be cautious when approaching unknown shamans!