Join host Brenda Darden Wilkerson as she chats with Bridget Todd, the powerhouse behind the hit podcast "There are No Girls on the Internet" and a leading voice in the fight for digital inclusion. Together, they dissect the biases in tech and explore the industry's encroachment on our power and privacy in even the most intimate parts of our lives. Then, they go beyond the problems and dive into the paradigm shift needed if we are to change the status quo. Bridget pushes us all to reject the notion that tech is too complicated for most folks to understand or that its founders and leaders are too powerful to challenge. She isn’t having it, and neither are we.  “I think that we need to get to a place where tech leaders understand that even if I'm not an engineer, even if I'm not like a techie, I still am an expert in my experience. I use this technology every day and this technology uses me every day… I am the expert of my experience and I am allowed to take up space and say that these people have tricked us into thinking that they are smarter than us.” For more of Bridget Todd check out… The Are No Girls on the Internet Unbossed Creative On X On Instagram --- At AnitaB.org, we envision a future where the people who imagine and build technology mirror the people and societies for whom they build it. Find out more about how we support women, non-binary individuals, and other underrepresented groups in computing, as well as the organizations that employ them and the academic institutions training the next generations. --- Connect with AnitaB.org Instagram - @anitab_org Facebook - /anitab.0rg LinkedIn - /anitab-org On the web - anitab.org  --- Our guests contribute to this podcast in their personal capacity. The views expressed in this interview are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology or its employees (“AnitaB.org”). AnitaB.org is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of the information provided in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. This podcast series does not constitute legal or other professional advice or services. --- B The Way Forward Is… Produced by Dominique Ferrari and Paige Hymson Sound design and editing by Neil Innes and Ryan Hammond  Mixing and mastering by Julian Kwasneski  Associate Producer is Faith Krogulecki Executive Produced by Dominique Ferrari, Stacey Book, and Avi Glijansky for Riveter Studios and Frequency Machine Executive Produced by Arlan Hamilton for Arlan Was Here  Executive Produced by Brenda Darden Wilkerson for AnitaB.org Podcast Marketing from Lauren Passell and Arielle Nissenblatt with Riveter Studios and Tink Media in partnership with Carolyn Schneller and Coley Bouschet at AnitaB.org Photo of Brenda Darden Wilkerson by Mandisa Media Productions For more ways to be the way forward, visit AnitaB.org