My Warm Table ... with Sonia

Sonia Nolan

My Warm Table is an independent podcast amplifying the passion and purpose of smart, generous and civic minded Western Australians who are making our communities better.  We gather around a warm table of good conversation, acceptance, positivity and curiosity (in Italian we call this a Tavola Calda - a warm table). We'll talk politics, religion, science, sustainability, wellness, inclusion, social impact ... in fact no topic is off limits - but good table manners will rule!
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Turning the lights on - a history of EPT, migration and modernising Australia with Matthew Quomi
Nov 27 2023
Turning the lights on - a history of EPT, migration and modernising Australia with Matthew Quomi
In this episode  we  stop a moment to think about how we are so connected to electricity.  We’re going to honour the courageous and skillful men who climbed heights without fear to assemble and construct those tall steel structures which look like mini Eiffel Towers across our Australian landscape.We’re going to step back in time to 1951 when the Australian branch of an Italian company set up in Australia to connect our vast, remote country to a reliable electricity source which enables a future of possibility and prosperity. Electric Power Transmission Pty Ltd or EPT - was that company.EPT holds an important chapter in Australia’s story. The story of migrants making their way in a new land. The story of connecting Australia across a remarkable and unforgiving landscape.  The story of powering Australia into prosperity – signalling the start of industry, new jobs and new economic opportunities. The EPT story brought the 1956 Olympics to our TV screens, it linked Carnarvon to the NASA space program and it was a pioneer of WA’s industrial future underpinning Alcoa, BP, Hamersley Iron and even the North West Shelf.   EPT turned on the lights for Australia, so it’s only fair that we should shine a little light on it today.  To help tell this story, I’m  joined by Matthew Quomi around the warm table. Matthew’s father worked for EPT and this paternal legacy inspired Matthew, an architect and passionate historian, to research and write a book about EPT and its communities. Matthew has spent the last few years sharing warm tables across Australia piecing together the history of EPT with the pioneers of Australia’s energy legacy – migrant men now aged in their 70s and 80s. Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Saving lions and rewilding our world with Donalea Patman
Nov 13 2023
Saving lions and rewilding our world with Donalea Patman
We are in what scientists call the 6th mass extinction with wildlife disappearing at a rate of 1000 times the natural extinction rate.  Today’s warm table conversation is a big one.We share tears and fears with Donalea Patman who, 12 years ago, locked eyes with a lion - one of the world’s most majestic and revered creatures – and from that moment she has dedicated her career to ending the cruel and barbaric industry of canned hunting, followed by the closing of the domestic trade in ivory and rhino horn in Australia and worked on modernising the legal trade in endangered species (one of the key drivers of extinction). Season 2 of My Warm Table Podcast is amplifying people of passion and purpose. Donalea has to be one of the most passionate and purposeful people I’ve met. She sold her house and started a charity called For the Love of Wildlife (FLOW) which is dedicated to restoring the essential connection between all living things to bring our planet back to balance. She is changing the world and for her work she was the proud recipient of the Animal Action Award, International Fund for Animal Welfare ad was named in the 2017 Queen’s Birthday honours list and awarded an Order of Australia Media for her work for animal welfare. Donalea is a Freo girl at heart and after shining a spotlight on the global issue of canned hunting and predator breeding, she is now turning her vast energy and wisdom to rewilding WA.  Partnering with Quenda Ecologics to build autonomous rovers that mimic what marsupials did in rural Australia before they disappered.  This ambitious and unique project aims to regenerate degraded WA landscapes at scale. So grab a cup of tea and join us around the warm table.  Prepare to be outraged… and educated ….and also deeply inspired by Donalea and the work she is doing for mother earth, for our future and For the Love of Wildlife.Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
InsTRUCKta! Virtual Reality road safety lessons with Rob Sharpe
Oct 30 2023
InsTRUCKta! Virtual Reality road safety lessons with Rob Sharpe
The number of trucks on WA  roads is set to double within the decade and triple by 2050.  In fact we'd all  come to a stop if it wasn’t for the work of our amazing truck drivers carting everything from milk to machinery across our vast state.   So it’s really important as drivers that we know how to share our roads safely with trucks. Rob Sharpe of Transafe and InsTRUCKta! has traversed more than 1.4 million kms as a truckie and he’s had a birds eye view of more than his fair share of close calls and crazy risk taking, by cars trying to squeeze their way ahead of a truck.  So it’s no wonder that he is a huge advocate for road safety.Transafe WA is a not for profit organisation and Instrucka is its big purple semi-trailer decked out with virtual reality simulations and engaging tools to teach young and old how to interact safely with trucks.Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season! Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Have you ever been hacked? Learn how to stay safe online with cybersecurity specialist Vannessa Van Beek
Oct 16 2023
Have you ever been hacked? Learn how to stay safe online with cybersecurity specialist Vannessa Van Beek
Have you ever been hacked? Are you worried about your data privacy? Do you know someone who has been unscrupulously scammed and lost money, lost data and basically lost their trust in the cyber world?Cyber security is a growing concern for everyday people like you and me, as well as every organisation and government body - costing millions in our economy.Cybersecurity specialist Vannessa Van Beek joins us to help us learn how to protect ourselves online.  Vannessa was a finalist for Australia’s most outstanding woman in protective security, has been awarded Women in Tech WA’s Outstanding Senior Leader Award, named a Rising Star in the Cyber Community Awards and led the WA Cyber Awards Security Operations Team of the Year. Vannessa holds a law degree, an MBA, and postgraduate qualifications in psychology, as well as a string of cyber security credentials.  With her unique psych and cyber lens, Vannessa provides invaluable insights into why and where human behaviour and cyber risk meet. So there is no one better to give us some crucial online tips. Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showSupport the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Allergies with Dr Richard Nolan
Oct 3 2023
Allergies with Dr Richard Nolan
PASSION: The study and mastery of allergic conditions.PURPOSE: Investigating, managing and relieving allergy symptoms through his practice Perth Allergy so people can live healthier, happier lives. Is hay fever your nemesis in the Springtime or maybe the sentence “may contain traces of nuts” gets your heart racing. Allergies have become a common companion for many and so often they rob us of our energy levels, concentration and wellbeing … and of course sometimes they can be life threatening. Dr Richard Nolan – allergy specialist and immunologist – is our guest around the warm table today and he shares his passion for understanding the causes and cures for allergies and the purpose behind his life’s work. There’s no one better to talk about this topic with us today!  Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Respect @ Work with Franca Sala Tenna
Sep 18 2023
Respect @ Work with Franca Sala Tenna
PASSION: Changing workplace behaviours for the better.PURPOSE: Translating the law on workplace behaviours through interactive theatre and training workshops through her business EEO Specialists. The laws have changed around workplace behaviour. In fact more change has occurred in the last 2 years than 20 years prior …So this is an important episode for everyone with a job - because you need to know where the new line in the sand is when it comes to sexual harassment, discrimination and bullying.Now it might sound like a heavy topic, but luckily I’m joined around the warm table by Franca Sala Tenna – she’s the non lawyer’s lawyer and the Director and Founder of EEO Specialists – a company with a passion for changing behaviours for the better. Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Volunteering with Craig Spencer
Sep 5 2023
Volunteering with Craig Spencer
One of the greatest ways we can channel our passions for purpose is through volunteering. It’s good for civic society, it’s good for our local clubs, and research tells us that volunteering even increases our sense of wellbeing. Today I’m joined around the Warm Table by Craig Spencer – who has volunteered most of his adult life and knows better than most the importance of giving things a go and getting involved. As Head of Community Engagement at Bankwest some years ago, he was among those who spearheaded the movement in corporate volunteering and today he manages more than 900 volunteers through his role as Volunteer Manager for St John Ambulance in the Wheatbelt. He’s also a Board member of Volunteering WA and Chair of the State Government’s Volunteer Reference Group….  And he’s a volunteer firefighter in his community – which makes him passionate about ensuring each of us has a fire plan for our homes and family and he’ll give us some tips on just how we can do that.Link to Department of Fire and Emergency Services:https://www.dfes.wa.gov.au/https://mybushfireplan.wa.gov.au/Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Stories from Snake Gully and Aboriginal Health with Jenny Baraga
Aug 21 2023
Stories from Snake Gully and Aboriginal Health with Jenny Baraga
Jenny Baraga is a pioneer of Aboriginal mental health practice and training in Western Australia’s north west region. Jenny describes herself as a quiet achiever. She is a trusted voice, an experienced health practitioner and a proud Garra Yarra woman with a compelling story about the importance of taking the time to have a yarn and show cultural respect to people – especially when they are at their most vulnerable. During our warm table conversation Jenny also shared the legend of a painting she created some years ago which tells her family’s story of loss and pain and the legacy of being part of the stolen generation. As Australians we have much to listen and learn about the stories and experiences of First Nations people, so it’s a privilege to be able to amplify the knowledge and wisdom of our warm table guest Jennifer Baraga. Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Endometriosis with Kath Sloan and Emma Dixon
Aug 7 2023
Endometriosis with Kath Sloan and Emma Dixon
Endometriosis is a chronic and painful condition which affects about 176 million women worldwide. One in 9 women suffer (almost daily) with this condition which impacts a woman's physical, emotion and social wellbeing.  There is currently no cure, the cause is unclear and diagnosis takes an average of 7 years. Kath Sloan and Emma Dixon are passionate about sharing their lived experience of endometriosis so that more women are aware of the condition and seek help and diagnosis. This is an intergenerational conversation with Kath in her 50s and Emma in her early 20s sharing their wisdom and insights.  This is an episode to share with your friends, family and the men in your life to raise awareness.  Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Motion by the Ocean with Alanagh Godderidge
Jul 10 2023
Motion by the Ocean with Alanagh Godderidge
PASSION: Identifying unmet needs and then taking action to enable a stronger, more vibrant community where everyone feels connected.PURPOSE: Creating community as CEO of her charity Motion by the Ocean.Alanagh Godderidge lives and breathes her values.  Alanagh is the CEO and Founder of Motion by the Ocean and a pioneer of the Cycling Without Age movement in Western Australia.Motion by the Ocean reconnects seniors and disabled communities with rippling sun, sand and a joyous fresh salt water breeze and meaningful conversations for the lonely and isolated.Alanagh advocates for stronger, more vibrant communities and she is wheeling her way into the hearts of everyone along the northern suburbs beaches one trishaw ride at a time. You can donate to  Motion by the Ocean on this link.Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Females Over 45 Fitness with Kelli Reilly
Jun 26 2023
Females Over 45 Fitness with Kelli Reilly
Kelli Reilly has poured all her passion and purpose into creating Females Over 45 Fitness which aims to make women over 45 stronger and fitter into their older years. Kelli is proof that even in our 50s we can go back to study, launch a successful business and follow our dreams. I’m delighted to welcome Kelli around the warm table to learn more about her life as a country girl and farmer, and to share with you what happens at the FOFF gym – what exactly is this fabulous fitness formula that Kelli has created especially for mature women? Females Over 45 Fitness is the inaugural sponsor of My Warm Table Podcast, partnering with us in Season 2.  Warmest thanks to Kelli for supporting My Warm Table.Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Grief (Part 2) with Lionheart Shelly Skinner and Lauren Breen
Jun 13 2023
Grief (Part 2) with Lionheart Shelly Skinner and Lauren Breen
PART 2 of our warm table conversation on GRIEF with local bereavement organisation Lionheart Camp for Kids CEO Shelly Skinner and Board Member Professor Lauren Breen. PASSION:  Building a community where grief is seen as a healthy and positive response to death and life challenges.PURPOSE: Empowering bereaved children and families to navigate their grief journey through education, peer-support, strength-building and resilience through Lionheart Camps for Kids (a not-for-profit organisation).We cover:Sibling griefWhat healthy grief is and isn'tWhat is regriefing?The importance of funerals and the conversations we should have before deathPhysiological symptoms of griefMyths of griefWhat happens on Lionheart campsDrumbeatThe Lionheart Song"You might never experience true love, but you will experience grief." - Professor Lauren Breen at her TedX TalkYou can donate to Lionheart to support this important work.Lionheart Song Credits:Music and lyrics by Oscar Thomas and Christian BarrattProduced by Christian BarrattPerformed by Christian Barratt and the 2019 Lionheart Kids ChorusWarm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Grief (Part 1) with Lionheart Shelly Skinner and Lauren Breen
Jun 12 2023
Grief (Part 1) with Lionheart Shelly Skinner and Lauren Breen
PASSION:  Building a community where grief is seen as a healthy and positive response to death and life challenges.PURPOSE: Empowering bereaved children and families to navigate their grief journey through education, peer-support, strength-building and resilience through Lionheart Camp for Kids (a not-for-profit organisation). We’re talking about grief through the expertise of local bereavement organisation Lionheart Camp for Kids.  This is part one of our conversation.  We cover:What does Lionheart do?What is grief? How can we support someone experiencing grief?Stages of grief - what's normal?Lionheart Camp for Kids - creating space and connection Education program for schools and teachers - the first space for connectionSkills for managing grief and lossHow children might reflect their griefQuestions children have when a parent diesHow to talk to children about death Joining us around the warm table are Shelly Skinner and Professor Lauren Breen.Shelly is the Founder and CEO of Lionheart. She’s a social worker who has worked in hospitals within WA and the UK in the fields of oncology, palliative care, acquired brain injury, spinal injury and emergency medicine. Lauren is on the Board of Lionheart and she is a registered psychologist and a professor in the School of Population Health at Curtin University where she researches grief across the lifespan."You might never experience true love, but you will experience grief." - Professor Lauren Breen at her TedX TalkYou can donate to Lionheart to support this important work. Lionheart Song Credits:Music and lyrics by Oscar Thomas and Christian BarrattProduced by Christian BarrattPerformed by Christian Barratt and the 2019 Lionheart Kids ChorusWarm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Be a leader and change your world with Alicia Curtis
May 29 2023
Be a leader and change your world with Alicia Curtis
PASSION: Building a society that is inclusive, kind and where we can all lead social change PURPOSE: Inspiring people to unlock their leadership potential through her social business Alyceum.  Alicia Curtis has led award-winning board diversity programs, experiential millennial leadership programs and social change campaigns.She’s co-written a book and been named as one of Australia’s top 100 women of influence. Alicia is the Patron of Girl Guides WA and the co-founder of 100 Women – a philanthropic giving circle which has granted more than a million dollars and impacted women and girls around the world. She’s a mum of two energetic kids, loves dancing, theatre, travel and reading books  - and changing the world one person at a time.  Warm thanks to: Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria Park Sound Engineering: Damon Sutton Music: William A Spence ... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!  Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!
Happy brain chemicals with Charlotte Ingham Ellery
May 16 2023
Happy brain chemicals with Charlotte Ingham Ellery
PASSION: Harnessing our brain chemicals (think oxytocin, serotonin, dopamine and cortisol) to be our very best selves and thrive!PURPOSE: Teaching everyone how to tap into these happy chemicals - including people in prison - for our wellbeing, emotional intelligence and to live our best lives.  Charlotte Ingham Ellery runs her own business called Well Built Mind and she is a woman of many talents. She’s a mother, a yoga instructor, a wellbeing and psychological safety expert, and she teaches corporate wellbeing, emotional intelligence and psycho-social hazard management.  She’s amazing!This conversation is one of the best professional development sessions you could have! Charlotte also works extensively doing PD teachers for their own wellbeing and also with students helping everyone understand their brain chemicals and thrive!Warm thanks to:Sponsor: Females Over Forty-five Fitness in Victoria ParkSound Engineering: Damon SuttonMusic: William A Spence... and all our generous and inspiring guests around the warm table this season!Support the showPlease rate and review this podcast - it helps to share the love with others!You can also follow My Warm Table on social media and join the conversation:Facebook Instagram LinkedIn Catch up on all episodes. You'll find My Warm Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Buzzsprout and more ... My Warm Table, translated into Italian is Tavola Calda. These were the words my Papa used to describe a table of good friends, good food and good conversation. I always aim to create a tavola calda in my life and I hope this podcast encourages you to do so too!