Ways We Learn

Sean, Joe, and Brian investigate the ways people learn

Your hosts Sean Dagony-Clark, Joe Burgess, and Brian Tobal are investigating the ways people learn across all modalities and ages. We'll investigate learning through storytelling, experience, and games. We'll look at learning in schools, businesses, and personal life. We’ll look at everything from learning techniques to educational technology, AI- and computer-assisted learning, effective classroom practices, and traditional and non-traditional learning approaches. Basically: all the ways we learn! read less
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Explainable AI in Healthcare with Akash Parvatikar
Apr 30 2024
Explainable AI in Healthcare with Akash Parvatikar
There’s a lot of buzz these days about AI, and in particular Generative AI. But Gen AI is just one facet of the huge artificial intelligence field. Today we’ll talk about another facet: one of the ways AI is advancing healthcare through medical diagnosis. Joining us is Dr. Akash Parvatikar, an AI Scientist and Product Manager for the PathologyMap platform at HistoWiz, a company accelerating scientific research and discoveries through the automation of histology and digital pathology solutions. Akash specializes in explainable AI for early breast cancer diagnosis and is an advocate of explainable AI in healthcare. In this episode, Akash highlights the importance of developing AI models that can 'speak the language of a pathologist' by not only classifying diseases but explaining the decision-making process behind the classification. We’ll get into the challenges of digital pathology, the concept of explainable AI, the process of training AI models with limited data, and the potential future applications of AI in medicine beyond pathology. Highlights: 00:53 Introduction 02:40 Akash’s Journey into AI and Healthcare 05:16 Explainable AI in Healthcare 09:33 High-Resolution Imaging in Pathology 35:00 The Future of AI in Medicine 38:48 Concluding Thoughts Links and further reading: https://www.linkedin.com/in/akash007/ https://akashparvatikar.github.io/ https://home.histowiz.com/ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/welearn/message
AI Policy and Practice in Schools with Eric Hudson
Apr 2 2024
AI Policy and Practice in Schools with Eric Hudson
Eric Hudson is serious about creating meaningful learning, and his recent work has focused on AI in education. He says: “How we frame AI for ourselves as educators will affect how we frame it for our students, and I believe strongly that how we talk to students about AI will have a lasting impact on how they see its role in their own lives.” A few of our conversation topics: Students want to produce authentic and meaningful work (not just use ChatGPT for cheating).AI can serve as a tool for sparking ideas and offering 'positive friction' in the thinking process, ultimately enhancing the quality of student work.We should reimagine AI technologies as academic assistants rather than solely cheating mechanisms.AI has potential to empower students and enhance their work. Eric is a facilitator and strategic advisor who supports schools in making sense of what’s changing in education. He specializes in learner-centered assessment, human-centered leadership, and strategic program design. Most recently, Eric spent a decade at Global Online Academy (GOA), first as an instructional coach and ultimately as Chief Program Officer, working with schools around the world to rethink where, when, and how learning happens. Prior to GOA, he spent 12 years in the classroom, where he developed his passion for designing learning experiences. Eric serves on the board of the Association of Technology Leaders in Independent Schools (ATLIS) and writes the newsletter "Learning on Purpose" on Substack. Highlights: 02:17 Eric’s Journey in Education and AI03:43 Defining AI and Its Impact on Education05:10 Exploring the Spectrum of AI in Education: From Skepticism to Empowerment09:24 Navigating Academic Integrity and the Power of Productive Struggle with AI12:30 Benefits of AI18:42 Redefining Assistance: AI as a Tool for Enhancing Learning21:39 Assessment in the Age of AI: Rethinking Educational Goals23:16 Exploring AI in Education: A Model for Learning24:01 Positive Uses of AI in Classroom Settings24:13 AI as a Catalyst for Inquiry-Based Learning25:23 AI in Language Learning: Bridging Gaps and Building Tools26:35 Integrating AI into Academic Content27:46 The SAMR Model: Revisiting Educational Technology Frameworks28:29 AI and Creativity: Enhancing the Brainstorming Process33:39 Addressing Concerns: AI, Copyright, and Equity37:24 Strategic AI Integration: Policies and Flexibility for School Leaders39:48 Concluding Thoughts on AI's Role in Future Learning Links and further reading Eric’s Substack: Learning on Purpose: https://erichudson.substack.com/Eric on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ejhudson/Po (Japanese translation bot: https://poe.com/JapaneseTutorSAMR model ed tech: https://www.edutopia.org/article/powerful-model-understanding-good-tech-integration/Article on AI being trained on writers’ work: https://crosscut.com/culture/2023/10/wa-authors-are-teaching-ai-how-write-without-their-consentBloomberg study - racial bias in AI: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-generative-ai-bias/ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/welearn/message
What's Next in AI? with Claire Zau
Feb 27 2024
What's Next in AI? with Claire Zau
Everyone’s talking about AI these days, but it’s not that often that you get to speak with someone who can really pull back the curtain on how the future of AI is taking shape. But that’s why you listen to Ways We Learn, isn’t it! Claire Zau is a Vice President at GSV Ventures, an early stage edtech Venture Capital firm at the forefront of transformative technologies that are shaping the future of education and work. Some notable early investments from GSV are Coursera, Classdojo, Degreed, Guild Education and many more that you’d recognize if you’re in the education space. Claire spends a lot of her time at the intersection of AI & education startups, and writes a weekly newsletter on Substack that you should check out (it’s linked below). She has a B.A. from Stanford and an Masters of Education from UPenn’s Graduate School of Education. We discussed the dynamics between incumbents and new ventures in the field of AI, the potential of AI deployment in educational spaces, retention and adoption rates of AI-enabled tools, the importance of user experience in AI applications, emerging trends in AI such as multimodality and personalized AI models and ethical considerations, and a lot more! 00:54 Introduction02:15 Claire's Background and Interest in AI03:35 AI in the Education Space: Current Trends08:20 AI Tutors and the Challenges of Differentiation10:42 AI and Privacy Concerns in Education13:36 The Future of AI in Education: Predictions and Opportunities19:25 AI and the Transformation of Video Content Creation24:21 Navigating Privacy and IP Rules in AI28:11 Adapting to New Educational Technology28:24 The Rise of EdTech and AI in Schools28:48 Differentiating Effective EdTech Tools29:07 The Importance of Product Retention and Stickiness29:49 The Role of AI in Lesson Planning30:42 The Trend of Premium AI Products31:11 Understanding Good Retention Numbers32:54 The Future of Corporate Learning and Development33:17 The Advantage of Incumbents in EdTech34:00 The Emergence of Knowledge Search Platforms35:23 The Potential of Personal AI Assistants40:40 The Future of AI in Education Links and further reading Claire’s newsletter: aieducation.substack.com Companies / AIs mentioned in this episode: Amazon Bedrock (https://aws.amazon.com/bedrock/)Bard (https://bard.google.com)Caktus (https://caktus.ai/)Chegg (https://www.chegg.com)Degreed (https://degreed.com)Glean (https://glean.co)GoGuardian (https://www.goguardian.com)Gradescope (https://www.gradescope.com)Gradient Ventures (https://gradient.com)Jasper AI (https://www.jasper.ai)Khan Academy / Khanmigo (https://www.khanacademy.org)Labster (https://www.labster.com)Lensa (https://lensa.com)Mem (https://www.mem.ai)Notebook LM (https://notebooklm.google/)OpenAI (https://openai.com)Photomath (https://photomath.com)Power School (https://www.powerschool.com)Project Tailwind (https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/10/with-project-tailwind-google-aims-to-make-note-taking-smarter/)Quizlet (https://quizlet.com)Sana Labs (https://sanalabs.com)Speak (https://speakai.co/)Synthesia (https://www.synthesia.io)Tana (https://tana.inc)Turnitin (https://www.turnitin.com)Wolfram Alpha (https://www.wolframalpha.com) --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/welearn/message
AI in Higher Ed with James Genone
Feb 6 2024
AI in Higher Ed with James Genone
In our latest episode, Joe, Sean, and Brian welcome James Genone, former Head of Innovation at Minerva Project and now Head of Product and Operations at Atypical AI. James shares his perspective on integrating AI into education. He discusses Minerva University's approach to adopting AI, highlighting its potential to take on the labor-intensive parts of education such as grading and providing consistent formative feedback, and emphasizing that the role of human guidance will still be important. He forecasts the future of AI in education, applauds its potential advantages, and shares his views on the challenges the industry may face. The conversation also explores how AI can help improve a student's learning and overall educational experience, and discusses the importance of familiarizing oneself with AI. And along the way we learn more about the unusual and innovative Minerva University. From 2015 to 2023 James led product strategy for Minerva's academic partnerships, overseeing general education and curriculum development. He was formerly a philosophy professor, teaching and conducting research in the philosophy of mind and cognitive science. 00:54 Introduction and Background 01:46 James' Journey into Education 03:05 Transition from Academia to Minerva 04:39 Understanding Minerva's Vision and Approach 06:49 Exploring AI and its Potential in Education 09:42 The Impact of Generative AI on Education 10:15 The Role of AI in Higher Education Strategy 13:05 The Future of AI in Education 15:57 The Role of AI in Minerva's Education Approach 19:32 The Challenges and Opportunities of AI in Education 31:18 Getting Started with AI in Education 32:55 The Speed of Learning Generative AI 34:41 The Power of AI in Education 36:14 The Limitations of AI as a Tutor 43:27 The Future of AI in Education 55:11 The Role of AI in Writing and Thinking 58:30 Wrap-up 01:01:30 Bloopers! Links and further reading: https://www.minervaproject.com https://www.minerva.edu https://www.minervaproject.com/integrating-ai-white-paper/ https://www.atypicalai.com/ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/welearn/message
Professional Military Education with Dr. Jill Goldenziel
Oct 3 2023
Professional Military Education with Dr. Jill Goldenziel
Did you know there’s a degree-granting university system for our armed services that’s separate from our traditional colleges and universities? Today we have the good fortune to learn about our military’s higher education system by speaking with a professor who teaches “lawfare,” or the use of law as a weapon, to our up-and-coming military leadership. Dr. Jill Goldenziel is a professor at the National Defense University-College of Information and Cyberspace and a strategic advisor to business and government. At NDU-CIC, she teaches courses in International and Constitutional Law, Leadership, Strategy, Lawfare, and Information Warfare to senior civilian and military leaders from the United States and allied and partner nations. She is also an Affiliated Scholar at the University of Pennsylvania’s Fox Leadership International program and Penn’s Partnership for Innovation, Cross-Sector Collaboration, Leadership, and Organization.  She is a Forbes.com contributor on National Security. She received the NATO SHAPE/ACO Legal Office's Serge Lazareff Prize for her work as a scholar-practitioner of legal operations (lawfare). Jill's views expressed on Ways We Learn are her own. They do not represent the views of her university or any other part of the US government. Links and further reading Jill's Website: http://www.jillgoldenziel.com Jill's LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillgoldenziel/ Jill's Forbes Columns: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jillgoldenziel/ Jill's Research: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=409258 National Defense University-College of Information and Cyberspace: https://cic.ndu.edu/ Marine Corps University-Command and Staff College: https://www.usmcu.edu/Colleges-and-Schools/Command-and-Staff-College/Resident/About-CSC/ US Indo-Pacific Command's Counter-Lawfare Program: https://www.pacom.mil/Contact/Directory/J0/J06-Staff-Judge-Advocate/ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/welearn/message
Dr. Kristen Eccleston is The NeuroDiverse Teacher
May 9 2023
Dr. Kristen Eccleston is The NeuroDiverse Teacher
Research has shown that most children who have ADHD have received more than 20,000 negative and corrective messages by the time they turn 10. “Try harder.” “Don’t be lazy.” As a child with not-yet-diagnosed ADHD, Dr. Kristen C. Eccleston heard these herself. After being underserved by traditional education, and after becoming a Special Education teacher, she built a alternative special education program where kids with ADHD and other neurodiversity could thrive. Dr. Eccleston, also known as The NeuroDiverse Teacher, is an award-winning education consultant, keynote speaker, published author, and mental health thought leader currently living and working in the DC, Maryland, and Virginia area. Her areas of focus as an education consultant are K-12 and corporate mental health and neurodiversity engagement. She has worked with thousands of students and families in addition to some of the major global management consulting firms. After more than 15 years in the school setting, Dr. Eccleston left classroom teaching to significantly amplify her impact on mental health and neurodiversity approaches in schools and workplace settings. Links and further reading Dr. Eccleston’s website: https://www.theneurodiverseteacher.com Dr. Eccleston's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristen-eccleston-the-neurodiverse-teacher-keynote-speaker/ An ADHD Primer: https://www.nasponline.org/Documents/Resources%20and%20Publications/Handouts/Families%20and%20Educators/ADHD_a_Primer_For_Parents_and_Educators.pdf --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/welearn/message
Supporting Autistic and Neurodiverse Learners with Nate Shalev
Apr 25 2023
Supporting Autistic and Neurodiverse Learners with Nate Shalev
It's Autism Awareness Month. What better way to learn how to support autistic and neurodiverse people than to speak with someone from those communities? Nate Shalev is a speaker, author, and inclusivity expert who helps to create workplaces where businesses and people thrive. Their expertise has been highlighted in the Harvard Business Review, NY Times, the Wall Street Journal and more. Nate earned a BA from Barnard College of Columbia University and an MA from New York University, and is the founder of Revel Impact, a consultancy that specializes in social impact and diversity, equity, & inclusion. Nate is someone who has a compelling way of drawing on their personal life and experiences and using those to lead others by example. You should do yourself a favor after listening and check out Nate’s writing on LinkedIn (link is below) because it really will give you a view into their mind ... and give you some valuable information to put in yours. Nate joined us to talk about building inclusive learning environments that benefit all learners, and we’ll look at that through a lens of autism. Let's go learn something! Links and further reading https://www.linkedin.com/in/nshalev/ https://revelimpact.com/inclusionroundtable https://revelimpact.com https://www.neurodiversityeducationacademy.org/_files/ugd/deee3c_cf0609c22b5349148ce0c6db87b05271.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Disabilities_Sunflower --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/welearn/message
What is Creativity and Why is it Dangerous? with Dr. Michael Hanchett Hanson
Mar 14 2023
What is Creativity and Why is it Dangerous? with Dr. Michael Hanchett Hanson
Societies of our past were frightened by creativity. Did they understand something we don't?  Today, creativity is prized in all fields. Education is no exception. Schools of all varieties, from Pre-K through adult learning, strive to produce creative thinkers, through exercises in divergent thinking and ideation or even through assessment of their volume of creative ideas. The revised edition of Bloom's Taxonomy lists "Create" as its highest order thinking skill, and teacher education promotes cultivating higher order thinking in students. Students with unique ideas are praised while those who recycle old ideas might even be punished. Historically, however, creativity has been controversial. Creative writing like Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn" brings joy to some but simultaneously creates controversy and even strife with others. Creative breakthroughs in science like Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity help us understand the world but can simultaneously teach us the tools of its destruction. Creative inventions like the automobile revolutionize transportation but simultaneously produce pollution that threatens our future.  In this episode, Sean and Brian talk with Dr. Michael Hanchett Hanson about the history of creativity, how it should and shouldn't be taught, and why, in his words, "creativity is a dangerous idea." Michael Hanchett Hanson is a developmental psychologist; leader of the Participatory Creativity Lab (www.participatorycreativitylab.org), a founding board member and Secretary of the International Society for the Study of Creativity and Innovation (ISSCI); Director of the Masters Concentration in Creativity and Cognition at Teachers College, Columbia University; and President of Contexts R+D, a research and consulting practice.    He is one of the leading advocates for the participatory framework of creativity. Working with colleagues internationally, he has helped developed the framework, which emphasizes the diversity of roles people take up as participants in change and the limits of earlier views of creativity as decontextualized individualism. He has written on the history of the construct of creativity within psychology; the ideological uses of the construct; creative practices in the construction of the self, and the pros and cons of educators’ use of the idea of creativity. Resources and links: The Participatory Creativity Lab  Creativity and Improvised Educations: Case Studies for Understanding Impact and Implications Worldmaking: Psychology and the Ideology of Creativity --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/welearn/message