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🔥 In this 'Hot Item', Kyung Sin Park (aka ‘KS Park’), Professor at Korea University Law School and co-founder and Director of Open Net Korea, & the internet lab discuss the recent joint statement by the European Telecommunications Network Operators’ Association (ETNO) and the Korea Telecommunications Operators Association (KTOA) on network fees.📌Hot Item Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[00:39] KS Park⏲️[10:11] Wrap-up & Outro🗣️ [Network fees] have really suppressed the development of small to mid-sized content providers in Korea. That has not been addressed at all by the joint letter by KTOA and ETNO.🗣️ The more people choose [specific] content, the more the content’s author has to pay to the telecom operator. It’s basically a taxation on speaking online, if speaking includes making available videos, audio, or files, etc. That's what's happening in Korea.🗣️ [In 2021]: TeleGeography, found that the transit fee in Seoul was eight times more than London and ten times more than Frankfurt, and you can see the impact on the Internet ecosystem.🗣️ On the argument of payments being imposed only on ‘large traffic generators’: lots of people make a living on those platforms (...) [which] are bound to shift the burden to users, and that will suppress growth of individuals and SMEs.➡️ KTOA-ETNO Joint Statement on Network Fees ➡️ Comparisons of transit fee costs: see here and here

In this podcast Klaus Landefeld (DE-CIX Group) & the internet lab discuss what’s wrong with the EC consultation on the future of telecoms📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[00:47] What’s Wrong With the EC Consultation on the Future of Telecoms⏲️[06:08] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Klaus Landefeld | Member of the Supervisory Board, DE-CIX Group🌐 DE-CIX🌐 Klaus LandefeldKlaus Landefeld is a member of the supervisory board of the DE-CIX Group. He is an expert on the topics of infrastructure and networks, net neutrality, data retention, telecommunications surveillance, and IT security. Klaus provides advice and support to organisations and authorities across the world, including as a member of the Committee for Technical Regulation in Telecommunications of the German Federal Network Agency (BNetzA). He is also a founding member of multiple internet exchange points.

In this podcast Dr. Tito Rendas (Católica Global School of Law) & the internet lab discuss what’s wrong with the EC consultation on the future of telecoms📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[00:53] What’s Wrong With the EC Consultation on the Future of Telecoms⏲️[04:08] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Dr. Tito Rendas | Executive Dean and Assistant Professor, Católica Global School of Law🐦 https://twitter.com/titorendas🌐 [Event] Debate | 'Telcos v. Big Tech' (17 April 2023)🌐 29 Internet Experts and Academics send a Letter to the Commission urging to abandon the “Sending-Party-Network-Pays” proposal🌐 [Op-ed - O Jornal Económico] Back to the future, or why Netflix shouldn't pay Vodafone (Regresso ao futuro, ou porque é que a Netflix não deve pagar à Vodafone)🌐 Dr. Tito RendasDr. Tito Rendas is Executive Dean and Assistant Professor at Católica Global School of Law, where he also co-coordinates the Masters in Law on. Law in a Digital Economy. He has been a speaker at conferences and seminars at several institutions worldwide, including the European Parliament, Yale Law School, Tel Aviv University, and the University of Cape Town, and he holds visiting teaching appointments at Freie Universität Berlin and Stockholm University. Dr. Rendas has also been an agent for the Portuguese Republic before the Court of Justice of the European Union in several preliminary reference procedures on different topics at the intersection of law and technology.

In this podcast Rudolf van der Berg (Stratix) & the internet lab discuss what’s wrong with the EC consultation on the future of telecoms📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[00:43] What’s Wrong With the EC Consultation on the Future of Telecoms⏲️[06:19] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Rudolf van der Berg | Partner, Stratix🐦 https://twitter.com/internetthought🌐 internet lab Season 1 Podcast with Rudolf van der Berg🌐 [Presentation] Why You Need to Respond to the EU’s Questionnaire on Internet Connectivity (or risk the end of INEX - the Internet Neutral Exchange)🌐 Leaked EU Connectivity Document Sets off Alarm Bells🌐 Fast Internet Doesn’t Cost EU Telecom Operators Much at All🌐 Internet Traffic Growth Is Not Out of Control, and Nothing Like Telcos Want You To Believe🌐 [Video] NLNOG 2022 - Rudolf van der Berg | Big Telco vs Big Tech, Or Why Telcos Want Money for Traffic Again🌐 [Slides] NLNOG 2022 - Rudolf van der Berg | Big Telco vs Big Tech, Or Why Telcos Want Money for Traffic Again🌐 Rudolf van der BergRudolf van der Berg is a consultant with 20 years of experience in Internet, telecom, privacy, online content, standardisation and related topics. In the past, Rudolf was an Economist and Policy Analyst at the OECD working on telecommunications and Internet-related policy. He notably wrote reports on Machine-to-Machine communication, Internet of Things, connected television, mobile termination rates, fixed mobile convergence, international cables and Internet exchange points. Working together with BEREC - the Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communications, he organised two meetings on IP-interconnection, which brought the Internet peering community and regulators together.

In this podcast Ernesto Falcon (EFF) & the internet lab discuss what’s wrong with the EC consultation on the future of telecoms📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[00:45] What’s Wrong With the EC Consultation on the Future of Telecoms⏲️[05:31] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Ernesto Falcon | Senior Legislative Counsel, Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)🐦 https://twitter.com/EFalcon_2024🌐 Network Usage Fees Will Harm European Consumers and Businesses🌐 Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)🌐 Ernesto FalconErnesto Falcon is Senior Legislative Counsel at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)  with a primary focus on intellectual property, open Internet issues, broadband access, and competition policy. In the US, his work includes pushing the state of California to pass the strongest net neutrality law in the country in response to federal repeal efforts.

In this podcast German MEP Sabine Verheyen (EPP Group) & the internet lab discuss what’s wrong with the EC consultation on the future of telecoms📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[00:45] What’s Wrong With the EC Consultation on the Future of Telecoms⏲️[07:27] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ MEP Sabine Verheyen | German MEP, EPP Group🐦 https://twitter.com/sabineverheyen🌐 9 February 2023 - EP Event on Network Fees Organised by MEP Verheyen🌐 European Parliament MEP PageMEP Sabine Verheyen has been a Member of the European Parliament for the German Christian Democrats (CDU) since 2009 and is Chairwoman of the Committee for Culture and Education since 2019. MEP Verheyen focuses in particular on media policy, intellectual property and digital agenda issues and she took part in the past in the conciliation committee on the telecom package.

In this podcast Prof. Luca Belli (Center for Technology and Society, FGV Law School) & the internet lab discuss what’s wrong with the EC consultation on the future of telecoms📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[00:55] What’s Wrong With the EC Consultation on the Future of Telecoms⏲️[08:03] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Prof. Luca Belli | Professor & Head, Center for Technology and Society, FGV Law School🐦 https://twitter.com/1lucabelli🌐 29 Internet Experts and Academics send a Letter to the Commission urging to abandon the “Sending-Party-Network-Pays” proposal🌐 Belli, L. (2017). Net neutrality, zero rating and the Minitelisation of the internet. Journal of Cyber Policy. Vol.2, 2017 - Issue 1🌐 Belli, L. and P. De Filippi. eds. (2016). Net Neutrality Compendium: Human Rights, Free Competition and the Future of the Internet. Springer🌐 Belli, L., & Van Bergen, M. (2013). Protecting Human Rights through Network Neutrality:  Furthering Internet Users’ Interest, Modernising Human Rights and Safeguarding the Open Internet. Council of Europe. CDMSI(2013)misc19E🌐 Center for Technology and Society, FGV Law School🌐 Prof. Luca BelliLuca Belli is Professor of Digital Governance and Regulation at Foundation Getulio Vargas Law School in Brazil, where he directs the Center for Technology and Society and the CyberBRICS project. Luca served as Net Neutrality specialist for the Council of Europe and was the founder of the Net Neutrality Coalition of the UN Internet Governance Forum. His works have been quoted by numerous media outlets, including The Economist, Financial Times, Forbes, Le Monde, BBC, China Today, The Hill, O Globo, and Folha de São Paulo.

In this podcast Dean Bubley (Disruptive Analysis) & the internet lab discuss what’s wrong with the EC consultation on the future of telecoms📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[00:53] What’s Wrong With the EC Consultation on the Future of Telecoms⏲️[06:14] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Dean Bubley | Founder, Disruptive Analysis🐦 https://twitter.com/disruptivedean🌐 LinkedIn Contribution on the 'Fair Share' Debate🌐 Disruptive Analysis’ Response to the UK Ofcom Consultation on the Net Neutrality Review🌐 Dean Bubley & Disruptive AnalysisDean Bubley is the founder of Disruptive Analysis, a technology consulting firm based in London, UK. He is known as a visionary in the telecoms and more generally connectivity sectors, and is therefore a frequent speaker at major conferences on these topics, as well as a source of quotes and contributions for publications such as The Economist, the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal. Dean’s clients include many of the world’s leading telecom operators, vendors, regulators and industry associations.

In this podcast Nicolas Guillaume (Nasca) & the internet lab discuss what’s wrong with the EC consultation on the future of telecoms📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[00:49] What’s Wrong With the EC Consultation on the Future of Telecoms⏲️[09:02] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Nicolas Guillaume | Président, Nasca🐦 https://twitter.com/nguillam🌐 Télécoms et GAFAM: mais que fait l’Union Européenne ?🌐 Netalis🌐 Nicolas GuillaumeNicolas Guillaume est Président du groupe français Nasca dont la filiale Netalis est un opérateur télécoms alternatif qui propose des services de connectivité dans toute la France et qui déploie son réseau de fibres optiques dans plusieurs métropoles. Expert des infrastructures Internet et réseaux télécoms depuis près de 20 ans, il a été également secrétaire général de l’AOTA, Association des Opérateurs Télécoms Alternatifs, structure nationale créée en 2017 qui fédère près de 50 opérateurs régionaux partout en France. Il s’exprime à titre personnel sur l’évolution du marché des télécoms B2B en France et en Europe. Nicolas Guillaume is President of the French Nasca Group, whose subsidiary Netalis is an alternative telecom operator that offers connectivity services throughout France and deploys its fibre optic network in several metropolitan areas. He has close to 20 years of experience in Internet infrastructure and telecom networks. Nicolas has also served as secretary general of AOTA, the French association of alternative telecoms operators (Association des Opérateurs Télécoms Alternatifs), a national structure created in 2017 that federates nearly 50 regional operators throughout France. He speaks in his personal capacity on the evolution of the B2B telecom market in France and Europe.#NetworkFees #FairShare #NetNeutrality

In this podcast Cláudio Teixeira (BEUC) & the internet lab discuss what’s wrong with the EC consultation on the future of telecoms📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[00:50] What’s Wrong With the EC Consultation on the Future of Telecoms⏲️[05:47] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Cláudio Teixeira | Digital Rights Legal Officer, BEUC🐦 https://twitter.com/Claudi0Teixeira🌐 Sept 2022 BEUC position paper - ‘Connectivity infrastructure and the open Internet: BEUC preliminary position on possible introduction of network infrastructure fees’🌐 Jan 2023 BEUC letter to EU Executive Vice-President Margrethe Vestager - ‘Telecoms Joint Venture on a new digital identification solution for online advertising’🌐 BEUC - The European Consumer Organisation🌐 Cláudio TeixeiraCláudio Teixeira is a Digital Rights Legal Officer at BEUC, the European Consumer Organisation, where he focuses on telecommunications, digital services and cybersecurity. He was previously at the Permanent Representation of Portugal to the EU during their 2021 Council Presidency, working on the negotiations of the Digital Markets Act (DMA) and the public Country-by-Country (CbC) Reporting Directive.

In this podcast Bill Woodcock (Packet Clearing House) & the internet lab discuss the tech dimension of internet regulation📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[01:43] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?⏲️[08:58] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?⏲️[13:11] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?⏲️[21:40] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.⏲️[23:33] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Bill Woodcock | Executive Director, Packet Clearing House 🐦 https://twitter.com/woodyatpch🌐 29 Internet Experts and Academics send a Letter to the Commission urging to abandon the “Sending-Party-Network-Pays” proposal🌐 Packet Clearing House🌐 Bill WoodcockBill Woodcock is the executive director of Packet Clearing House (PCH), the international non-governmental organisation that builds and supports critical Internet infrastructure, including Internet exchange points and the core of the domain name system. Since entering the Internet industry in 1985, he has helped establish more than three hundred Internet exchange points. In 2011, Bill wrote the first survey of Internet interconnection agreements, as input to the OECD’s analysis of the Internet economy. He then conducted follow-on surveys in 2016 and 2021, with the participation of more than 27,000 Internet service providers in 192 countries. He also served on the board of the American Registry for Internet Numbers for fifteen years. Currently, Bill’s work focuses on the security and economic stability of critical Internet infrastructure.

In this podcast Prof. Chris Marsden (Monash University, Australia) & the internet lab discuss the academic dimension of internet regulation📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[01:05] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?⏲️[10:12] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?⏲️[19:50] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?⏲️[28:09] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.⏲️[30:43] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Prof. Chris Marsden | Professor of AI, Technology and the Law, Monash University - Australia🐦 https://twitter.com/prof_marsden🌐 Study on the Implementation of the Open Internet Provisions of the Telecoms Single Market Regulation for the European Commission (2019)🌐 Network Neutrality: From Policy to Law to Regulation (2017)🌐 Net Neutrality: Towards a Co-Regulatory Solution (2010)🌐 Prof. Chris MarsdenProfessor Chris Marsden recently moved from Sussex Law School in the UK to Monash University in Australia, where he is Professor of Artificial Intelligence, Technology and the Law. He is an expert on Internet and digital technology law, with a focus on regulation by code - whether legal, software or social code. He is the author of many scholarly contributions as well as five books including "Net neutrality", "Regulating Code" with Professor Ian Brown and "Internet Co-regulation".

📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[01:43] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?⏲️[05:46] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?⏲️[09:58] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?⏲️[15:06] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.⏲️[17:38] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Dr. Joan Barata | Fellow at the Cyber Policy Center, Stanford University🐦 https://twitter.com/JoanBarata🌐 The Re-Emergence of the Net Neutrality Debate in Europe (Verfassungsblog)🌐 Dr. Joan BarataDr. Joan Barata is a Fellow at the Cyber Policy Center of Stanford University. He works on freedom of expression, media and communications regulation, and intermediary liability issues. Dr. Barata teaches at various universities in different parts of the world and has published many articles and books on these subjects, both in academic and popular press. His work has taken him to most regions of the world, and he is regularly involved in projects with international organisations such as UNESCO, the Council of Europe, the Organization of American States, and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, where he was the principal advisor to the Representative on Media Freedom. Dr. Barata also has experience as a regulator, as he held the position of Secretary General of the Audiovisual Council of Catalonia in Spain and was member of the Permanent Secretariat of the Mediterranean Network of Regulatory Authorities.

📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[01:51] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?⏲️[06:18] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?⏲️[12:41] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?⏲️[19:20] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.⏲️[20:15] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Prof. Andrew Odlyzko | Professor, School of Mathematics, University of Minnesota🌐 The Growth Rate and the Nature of Internet Traffic (2015)🌐 Content is Not King (First Monday, Volume 6, Number 2 - 5 February 2001)🌐 Prof. Andrew OdlyzkoAndrew Odlyzko is a Professor at the University of Minnesota. Before that, he spent more than half of his professional career in research at Bell Labs and AT&T Labs. After moving to Minnesota, he was the founding director of the Digital Technology Center, and has been head of the Minnesota Supercomputing Institute as well as an Assistant Vice President for Research. He has three patents and has written over one hundred and fifty technical papers on a variety of topics, such as cryptography and probability theory. He is a Fellow of the International Association for Cryptologic Research and the American Mathematical Society. He started his studies of the economics of the Internet at AT&T in the mid-1990s, and may be best known for his early debunking of the myth of Internet traffic doubling every one hundred days, and for his thesis that connectivity and not content is king. He has since broadened his studies to consider more general interactions of technology and society.

📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[01:21] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?⏲️[03:30] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?⏲️[05:41] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?⏲️[08:37] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.⏲️[09:23] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ MEP Patrick Breyer | German MEP, European Pirates - Greens/EFA Group🐦 https://twitter.com/echo_pbreyer 🌐 EU Declaration on Digital Rights Agreed🌐 EU Lawmakers Criticise Commission’s Plans to Eliminate Net Neutrality🌐 European Parliament MEP PageDr. Patrick Breyer is a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) with the European Pirates, who are part of the Greens and European Free Alliance (Greens/EFA) Group. As a member of the Committee for Civil Liberties and Home Affairs and of the Legal Committee, his political work concentrates on safeguarding fundamental rights in the digital age, especially with regard to privacy, citizen participation and democracy. MEP Breyer is a long-term activist in the civil liberties movement for consumer and citizen rights and is notably a member of the German NGO Working Group on Data Retention, as well as the author of the blog ‘Daten-Speicherung.de – minimum data, maximum privacy’.

📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[01:12] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?⏲️[02:53] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?⏲️[05:42] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?⏲️[08:35] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.⏲️[09:18] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Brian Williamson | Partner, Communications Chambers🐦 https://twitter.com/MarethBrian 🌐 Communication Chambers’ Paper: ‘An Internet Traffic Tax Would Harm Europe’s Digital Transformation’ (Commissioned by CCIA)🌐 Communication Chambers’ Note: ‘Patterns of Fixed Traffic Growth, 2022’🌐 LinkedIn Contribution on Telcos’ Traffic Growth Claims🌐 Brian WilliamsonBrian Williamson has worked in government at the New Zealand Treasury and is now a London based consultant. His clients include governments, regulators, telcos, and tech companies. As a consultant, Brian works at the intersection of the ‘digital economy’ and policy. This includes looking at the respective and complementary contributions of connectivity and applications to enhance economic and social outcomes. He recently published a study on the proposed ‘Internet traffic tax’ for the Computer & Communications Industry Association (CCIA).

📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[01:26] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?⏲️[06:21] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?⏲️[16:22] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?⏲️[22:46] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.⏲️[24:34] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis | Internet Policy & Strategy expert and author🐦 https://twitter.com/kkomaitis🌐 Internet collapse made in Europe (Verfassungsblog)🌐 Europe’s Risky Plan for the Internet🌐 29 Internet Experts and Academics send a Letter to the Commission urging to abandon the “Sending-Party-Network-Pays” proposal🌐 European Commission’s 10 January 2023 Response to Letter from 29 Internet Experts and Academics🌐 Internet of Humans Podcast🌐 Konstantinos KomaitisDr. Konstantinos Komaitis is a veteran in developing and analysing Internet policy to ensure an open and global Internet. He spent almost ten years in active policy and strategy development as a Senior Director at the Internet society. Before that, he spent 7 years as a senior lecturer at the university of Strathclyde in Glasgow, where he was researching and teaching Internet policy. Konstantinos is a public speaker having talked at many events around the world, including a TedX talk. He is also the author of a book on domain name regulation and a writer for a variety of outlets such as Politico, Brookings, Slate, TechDirt, and EurActiv. Finally, he is the co-host with Jillian York of the "Internet of Humans Podcast".

📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[01:24] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?⏲️[08:47] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?⏲️[18:39] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?⏲️[31:18] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.⏲️[36:08] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Rudolf van der Berg | Partner, Stratix🐦 https://twitter.com/internetthought🌐 NLNOG 2022 - Rudolf van der Berg | Big Telco vs Big Tech, Or Why Telcos Want Money for Traffic Again (Video | Slides)🌐 Internet Traffic Growth Is Not Out of Control, and Nothing Like Telcos Want You To Believe🌐 Map - Fiber Broadband by Municipality in the Netherlands: 1 Million More Homes in 2023. 5M So Far, 3M To Go!🌐 Rudolf van der BergRudolf van der Berg is a consultant with 20 years of experience in Internet, telecom, privacy, online content, standardisation and related topics.In the past, Rudolf was an Economist and Policy Analyst at the OECD working on telecommunications and Internet-related policy. He notably wrote reports on Machine-to-Machine communication, Internet of Things, connected television, mobile termination rates, fixed mobile convergence, international cables and Internet exchange points. Working together with BEREC - the Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communications, he organised two meetings on IP-interconnection, which brought the Internet peering community and regulators together.

📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[01:29] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?⏲️[05:01] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?⏲️[10:10] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?⏲️[15:15] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.⏲️[17:19] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ Dr. Francesca Musiani | Associate Research Professor, French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS)🐦 https://twitter.com/franmusiani🌐 29 Internet experts and academics send a Letter to the European Commission urging to abandon the “Sending-Party-Network-Pays” proposal🌐 European Parliamentary Research Service - Panel for the Future of Science and Technology - Study | 'Splinternets': Addressing the renewed debate on internet fragmentation 🌐 Dr. Francesca MusianiDr. Francesca Musiani is Associate Research Professor at the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS). She is Deputy Director of the Center for Internet and Society of CNRS, which she co-founded in 2019. She is also an associate researcher at the Center for the sociology of innovation (i3/MINES ParisTech) and a Global Fellow at the Internet Governance Lab, American University in Washington, DC.Francesca is the author, with Ksenia Ermoshina, of Concealing for Freedom: The Making of Encryption, Secure Messaging and Digital Liberties (April 2022, Mattering Press), and (co-)author and editor of numerous other articles and books. She is vice-president for research of Internet Society France, has collaborated with the French Parliament (2014-2015) and the French Council for Audiovisual Media (2015-2018), and is the recent co-author of a study on Internet fragmentation for the European Parliament (2022).

📌Episode Highlights⏲️[00:00] Intro⏲️[01:00] Q1 - How do you interpret the relationship between users accessing more content and services online and the impact this may have on telcos?⏲️[05:31] Q2 - What are the inherent dangers (if any) of Big Tech being requested to pay for the network of telcos?⏲️[09:24] Q3 - Do you think it is appropriate to compare the contribution of Big Tech and telcos in infrastructure, as suggested by some?⏲️[11:56] You have 1 minute to deliver a message to the powers that be in the EU on the 'fair contribution' discussion: make your case.⏲️[13:26] Outro📌About Our Guest🎙️ David Frautschy | Senior Director for European Government and Regulatory Affairs, Internet Society🐦 https://twitter.com/davidfrautschy🌐 ISOC Blog | Sender Pays: What Lessons European Policy Makers Should Take From The Case of South Korea, by Carl Gahnberg & David Frautschy🌐 ISOC Event (6 December 2022) | How the Internet Works and Why Cost Sharing Proposals Can Damage and Fragment It🌐 David FrautschyDavid is Senior Director for European Government and Regulatory Affairs at the Internet Society. He is impassioned about the power of the Internet to transform people’s lives and that was the reason that made him join ISOC. David is a government affairs professional with 20+ years of experience, 13+ of which focusing on telecom and digital regulations and trade policy.