The Messy Spirituality Podcast

Jason Elam, Kyle Butler, Lola Robbins

Hosted by Lola Robbins, Kyle Butler, and Jason Elam, The Messy Spirituality Podcast features conversations about life, God, spirituality, and becoming a better human. read less
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Episodes

Last Dance: The Gifts and Costs of Deconstruction
Mar 18 2024
Last Dance: The Gifts and Costs of Deconstruction
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the Deadly Faith podcast featuring our own Lola Robbins along with past guest Laci Bean. They do an incredible job with this podcast. Check it out today!How has deconstruction benefitted you?What has it cost you?Do you have any regrets about your deconstruction journey?In this final episode of the show, Kyle, Lola, and Jason discuss the highs and lows of their deconstruction journey along with their hopes for the future.Jason would be truly honored and grateful to have your support for his work through Peace Catalyst International. Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Thanks for listening over these last 5 years! We have loved having you take this journey with us!Stay subscribed to this feed for bonus episodes and interviews coming soon! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Deconstructing in Space with Jon Turney
Feb 12 2024
Deconstructing in Space with Jon Turney
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the book, "Finding Jesus", by Herb Montgomery. Check it out here.In this episode, Jason speaks to author and "This is Not Church" podcaster Jon Turney about the isolation of deconstruction and finding answers when they seem hard to come by. Be sure to check out Jon's new book "RJ the Astronaut" available on February 13, 2024!You can follow Jon's posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.While you're there, please follow our show on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram as well.Each episode of The Messy Spirituality Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you're thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Love, Bread and Spaceships with Rob Bell
Dec 4 2023
Love, Bread and Spaceships with Rob Bell
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by Reframing Our Stories. Check them out!This episode is also brought to you Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this episode, Jason talks with Rob Bell about seeing the world as a temple, humanity's big "Why?", and the art of storytelling.Rob Bell is a bestselling author, international teacher, and highly sought after public speaker. His books include The New York Times bestsellers What Is the Bible?, What We Talk About When We Talk About God, Love Wins, as well as The Zimzum of Love, Velvet Elvis, Sex God, Jesus Wants to Save Christians, and Drops Like Stars.He also happens to be one of the best communicators on the planet.At age 28, Rob founded Mars Hill Bible Church in Michigan, and under his leadership it was one of the fastest-growing churches in America. In 2011, he was profiled in Time Magazine as one of their 100 most influential people. He was featured on Oprah's 2014 Life You Want Tour and will be speaking at venues around the world in 2015 on the Everything is Spiritual Tour. Rob and his wife Kristen have three children and live in Los Angeles.You can pick up a copy of Rob's latest book, Where'd You Park Your Spaceship?. It's simultaneously hilarious, hopeful, and terrifying. It really is an incredible read!Be sure to check out Rob's podcast, website, and Two Days in Ojai events (as discussed in this conversation).Follow the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
From Marine to Pacifist with Dillon Naber Cruz
Nov 13 2023
From Marine to Pacifist with Dillon Naber Cruz
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by Augmented-a Science Fiction Anthology from Quoir.This episode is also brought to you Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this episode, Jason talks with author and public theologian Dillon Naber Cruz about his journey from the Marines to pacifism, the war in Israel/Palestine, the Trump effect on Evangelicalism, Christian Nationalism, and a lot more.Check out Dillon's incredible new book, Theological Musings. It's really phenomenal!You can connect with Dillon on Facebook, X, and via his website.Follow the Messy Spirituality crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
No More Martyrs
Oct 30 2023
No More Martyrs
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Wages of Grace by Brandon Dragan. Get your copy today!This episode is also brought to you Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this episode, Lola, Kyle, and Jason discuss the fascination with martyrs within Evangelicalism and other world religions. Could this idolization of those willing to pay the ultimate price for their faith be unhealthy?Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
The God of Unending Love with William Paul Young
Oct 23 2023
The God of Unending Love with William Paul Young
This episode is brought to you Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!It was an absolute honor to spend an hour in conversation with "The Shack" author William Paul Young discussing his spiritual journey, his thoughts on the modern church, why we're terrified of a God who loves without condition, the role of Jesus in our faith, and shining light on some of the lies we believe about God.You can purchase Paul's incredible books "The Shack", "Crossroads", "Eve", and his latest, "Lies We Believe About God" here.Visit Paul's website here.You can follow Paul's work on Facebook and Instagram.If you haven’t already, please follow our show on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. We’d love for you to join the conversation over on our private FB group exclusively for listeners of this podcast-Messy Conversations.Each episode of The Messy Spirituality Podcast is expertly engineered by The Podcast Doctor Eric Howell. If you’re thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!This conversation was originally released on January 1, 2020. Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Authentically Me with Seth Showalter
Oct 18 2023
Authentically Me with Seth Showalter
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Holy Heretics podcast. Check them out!This episode is also brought to you Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this episode, Lola talks with author Seth Showalter about finding the courage to embrace our authentic selves.Get your copy of Seth's awesome new book, Finally Free.You can connect with Seth on Facebook and Instagram.Follow the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
The Color of Grief w/Jonathan Foster
Oct 16 2023
The Color of Grief w/Jonathan Foster
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Holy Heretics podcast. Check them out!This episode is also brought to you Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this episode, Jason talks with author Jonathan Foster about love, loss, and living inspired.You can support Jonathan's incredible new book, indigo: the color of grief, back backing his Indiegogo campaign here.You can connect with Jonathan on Youtube, TikTok, and via his website.Be sure to check out the incredible work of Love Haiti.Follow the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Beyond Cancel Culture
Oct 10 2023
Beyond Cancel Culture
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by Reframing Our Stories.This episode is also brought to you Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this episode, Lola, Kyle, and Jason discuss the hidden price of cancel culture to society as a whole.Also, Jason interviews author David Giles who is pioneering a new genre of storytelling.Check out David's great new book, There Once Were Orange Groves.You can connect with David on Facebook and Instagram.Follow the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Messy Conversations-Breaking Bad Faith with Michael Camp
Aug 28 2023
Messy Conversations-Breaking Bad Faith with Michael Camp
This episode is brough to you by Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co. where you will find freshly roasted gourmet coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped to you on the same day and shipping is always free.  Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order.In this raw "Messy Conversations" episode, Jason talks to author, podcaster, and former missionary Michael Camp about his spiritual journey, recognizing toxic faith, and what we can do about it. We also talked about how missions ministry can change for the better. Michael's latest book is called Breaking Bad Faith and you can buy your copy wherever books are sold.Checkout Michael's website and podcast, The Spiritual BrewPub, here.You can follow Michael on Facebook, and Instagram.You can follow Jason on Facebook, Threads, and Instagram.You can also follow the show on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.Please be sure to rate and review the show on your podcast app of choice!Thanks for listening. The whole crew will be back for our next episode! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Confessions of Two Exvangelical Pastors
Aug 21 2023
Confessions of Two Exvangelical Pastors
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the book The Seed of Deconstruction by Nat Turney. Pick up your copy today!This episode is also brought to you Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this transparent episode, Lola asks Kyle and Jason deeply personal questions about what it was like being an Evangelical pastor and how their lives are different now that they have left professional ministry. Their answers might surprise you! Also, we've got a NSFW Auntie Lola's Bible Story!Follow the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Messy Conversations-Minding Our People with Nat Turney
Aug 14 2023
Messy Conversations-Minding Our People with Nat Turney
This episode is brough to you by Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co. where you will find freshly roasted gourmet coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped to you on the same day and shipping is always free.  Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order.In this raw "Messy Conversations" episode, Jason talked to author, podcaster, and former pastor Nat Turney about starting a new kind of church, shutting it down, and what he learned in between. Be sure to check out Nat's incredible new book, The Seeds of Deconstruction, which has a forward by the incomparable Brad Jersak. You're definitely going to want to check out Nat's podcast, This is Not Church, as well if you're not already listening to it. There are shout-outs in this episode to Paul Bergmann, Jon Turney, Meg Calvin, Eric Howell, Brad Jersak, and more!You can follow Nat on Facebook, Threads, and Instagram.You can follow Jason on Facebook, Threads, and Instagram.You can also follow the show on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.Please be sure to rate and review the show on your podcast app of choice!Thanks for listening. The whole crew will be back for our next episode! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Affirmative Action, Racism, and Shadow Work
Jul 10 2023
Affirmative Action, Racism, and Shadow Work
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the book Breaking Bad Faith by Michael Camp. Pick up your copy today!This episode is also brought to you Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this special episode Lola, Kyle, and Jason talk openly about the recent Supreme Court ruling regarding affirmative action, recognizing undetected racism in our own hearts, and doing the hard work to heal and evolve. A lot of tears are shed in this episode. Prepare yourself. It's a heavy one, but one we all might need to consider.You'll find Robert Augustus Masters (referenced in the episode) online here.You can find Dr. Paul Fitzgerald (also referenced in this episode) here.Check out this video on Shadow Work and Childhood Trauma by Patrick Teahan, LICSW here.Follow the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
When It's Time to Walk Away
May 1 2023
When It's Time to Walk Away
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by The Wild Olive Podcast. Check them out!This episode is also brought to you by Peaceful Warrior Coffee Company where they perfectly roast their single-origin beans on the same day they ship to you and shipping is always free. Jason recommends trying the Gourmet Breakfast Blend!In this episode, the crew talks about how we can know when it's time to walk away from a toxic religious environment.The crew welcomes Instagrammer, YouTuber, and soon-to-be author, Laci Bean to the show to unpack her spiritual journey.You can follow Laci on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube.Laci will be speaking at Awaken Nashville 2023. Register now before all the tickets are gone!Follow the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Living More Authentically
Apr 17 2023
Living More Authentically
This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the book, Drugs and Jesus, by Joshua Lawson which is available now!This episode is also brought to you by Peaceful Warrior Coffee Company where they perfectly roast their single-origin beans on the same day they ship to you and shipping is always free. Jason recommends trying the Tanzania!In this episode, the crew talks about how we can live more authentically as our true selves and some common obstacles to being who we really are.Jason interviews author Karen Shock. Karen is the author of the brand-new book, Too Much and Not Enough: Sacred Thoughts Said Out Loud" which releases on April 18, 2023. You definitely do not want to miss this book! It's absolutely incredible! Be sure to be on the look-out for Karen's new podcast "Sacred Thoughts Said Out Loud" coming soon!You can follow Karen on Facebook and Instagram. Follow the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice! Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTokYou can find Kyle on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.You can find Jason on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our Youtube channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our Messy Conversations group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!