Waterside Chat

Marine Fish Conservation Network

The Marine Fish Conservation Network's Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode, the Network's Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation and coastal ways of life. read less
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Where Your Seafood Comes From: A Waterside Chat with Colles Stowell
Jun 6 2024
Where Your Seafood Comes From: A Waterside Chat with Colles Stowell
Colles Stowell, founder and president of the One Fish Foundation, joined the Marine Fish Conservation Network for an online Waterside Chat on May 30, 2024. Colles and host Tom Sadler discussed:How our seafood system has changed from mostly local or domestic to mostly imported in a few short decadesHow we've become so dependent on an industrialized food system that we don't know where our food is coming fromThe power of One Fish Foundation's Know Your Fish dinners, which connect seafood consumers with the people who catch their food and start people on the path to owning their relationship with seafoodHow One Fish Foundation goes to schools, including bringing a lobster trap to a kindergarten classWhy "good, clean and fair" should be a sustainable-seafood mantraThe important role of chefs in the seafood conversationHow consolidation in the seafood-distribution industry hurts local fishermenAnd much, much more!IN THIS EPISODE:One Fish Foundation MORE ABOUT COLLES:Colles Stowell's love of fish, fishing and food started early. From the Louisiana bayous of his youth, he moved on to New Hampshire's lakes and rivers and trout streams, world-class salmon rivers in Canada, and bonefish flats in the Bahamas. Along the way, he discovered a passion both for local seafood and for writing.Stowell's journalism career includes writing for The Boston Globe, United Press International and New Hampshire Public Radio. He began covering sustainable fisheries and seafood in 2011, and he now focuses on issues ranging from privatization of our oceans to the devastating impact of the proposed Pebble Mine in Bristol Bay, Alaska.Of the One Fish Foundation, Colles says, "Starting the Foundation is the confluence of my career and personal passions. My deep-seated interest in fisheries and in striking the right balance to support well-managed fisheries, transparent, local seafood systems, and healthy oceans for future generations drives One Fish Foundation."ABOUT WATERSIDE CHATS:Watch more Waterside Chats or subscribe to the podcastThe Marine Fish Conservation Network’s Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode the Network’s Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation, and coastal ways of life.Join the Network's email list to learn about future Waterside Chats
Salmon, Filmmaking and Bristol Bay: A Waterside Chat with Mark Titus
Apr 3 2024
Salmon, Filmmaking and Bristol Bay: A Waterside Chat with Mark Titus
Mark Titus joined the Marine Fish Conservation Network for a Waterside Chat on March 26, 2024. Mark's journey from fly-fishing guide in Alaska's Southeast to founder of Eva's Wild is a story of passion for salmon and the future of the planet. Mark wrote and directed The Breach and The Wild, two influential films about salmon and the fight to protect Alaska's Bristol Bay. His third film, The Turn, shines a light on the "twin-towers of imperative action" for salmon survival: permanent protection of Bristol Bay and removal of the lower four Snake River dams.Mark and host Tom Sadler sailed through a wide range of topics, including:How a Snoopy rod & reel led Mark to a life of salmonHow he started at the bottom of the film world to learn how to create his own moviesWhy he considers our destruction of salmon habitat as a breach of our contract with nature (hence the title of his first film)Ongoing threats to salmon habitat in Alaska, including more litigation over Pebble Mine and toxic mining chemicals leaching into waters in Canada and flowing into the U.S.How Eva's Wild, his salmon-distribution company, grew out of a food truck that accompanied his film screenings and featured wild Alaska salmonHow the company gives part of its profits to Indigenous-led efforts to protect and restore salmon habitat, supporting a sustainable economy based on a regenerative resourceThe words of Indigenous leader Billy Frank Jr., who said, "As the salmon go, we go"And, of course, much more!In this episode:Connect with Eva's Wild: https://evaswild.com/pages/connectLinks to Mark's projects, including YouTube links for The Breach and The Wild: https://linktr.ee/markdtitusWatch more Waterside Chats or subscribe to the podcast: https://conservefish.org/resources/waterside-chat/The Marine Fish Conservation Network’s Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode the Network’s Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation, and coastal ways of life.Join the Network's email list to learn about future Waterside Chats: https://conservefish.org/join-our-email-list/
Salmon, Subsistence, Pebble Mine and More: Waterside Chat with Melanie Brown of SalmonState
Jan 26 2024
Salmon, Subsistence, Pebble Mine and More: Waterside Chat with Melanie Brown of SalmonState
SalmonState's Melanie Brown joined the Marine Fish Conservation Network for an online Waterside Chat on January 23rd, 2024. Melanie fishes commercially in Bristol Bay in Alaska, the fourth generation of her family to make a living on the water. In her role as outreach director at SalmonState, Melanie builds spheres of influence to address marine policy challenges. In a conversation that started with a poem and ended with a song, Melanie and host Tom Sadler talked about:The status of the Pebble Mine fight, which now moves to a federal district court, though Melanie hopes for an eventual legislative solutionHow she was born into a fishing family, with her great-great grandfather still fishing when she started at ten years old (she got her permit from him when he retired) and her children following herHer work with SalmonState, which grew out of Trout Unlimited's original organizing against Pebble Mine and now covers other issues in the Bering Sea and waters around Alaska, particularly bycatchHow the Pebble Fight brought together sport fishing interests, commercial fishing interests and Alaska's First People  around protecting Bristol BayHow mining development in Canada threatens U.S. waters, because "everything flows downstream"The status of Magnuson-Stevens reauthorization, plus the work to derail a late Trump administration rule that would open 28 million acres of land to mining and oil & gas explorationHow wild salmon and other species including caribou play a big role in feeding people in Alaska, particularly the state's First PeopleAnd much, much more!Mentioned in this Episode:SalmonState: https://salmonstate.org/Help keep protections in place for over 28 million acres: https://www.alaskalands.org/take-actionAbout the Magnuson-Stevens Act and its bipartisan tradition: https://conservefish.org/healthy-oceans/magnuson-stevens-act-upholding-a-legacy-of-success/Watch more Waterside Chats or subscribe to the podcast: https://conservefish.org/resources/waterside-chat/The Marine Fish Conservation Network’s Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode the Network’s Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation, and coastal ways of life.Join the Network's email list to learn about future Waterside Chats: https://conservefish.org/join-our-email-list/
Waterside Chat with Kevin Scribner - Fisherman, Poet and Advocate
Dec 28 2023
Waterside Chat with Kevin Scribner - Fisherman, Poet and Advocate
Kevin Scribner joined the Marine Fish Conservation Network in December 2023 for an online Waterside Chat with host Tom Sadler. Affectionally known as "Scribfish" by friends and colleagues, Kevin is a fisherman, poet, and advocate known for his eclectic and wide-ranging interests related to marine resource issues. Kevin and Tom covered a lot of ground (and water), including:How "if you are what you eat", Kevin has become a salmon many times overHow salmon runs in the Pacific Northwest are hurt by bad management practices on dry land ("What runs off the land is how the land talks to the water")How to work with landowners in a market-based program to improve their practices and help them earn a "Salmon Safe" designationHow this model can be applied to other species and other places, which is why he's recently been working with fishermen in Japan and HawaiiHow using local resources to solve local problems can help keep food systems (and people!) working during times of duressWhy you have to be a dreamer and an optimist to keep fishingListen to the full conversation to hear about these topics and much more!Mentioned in this Chat:https://salmonsafe.org/https://wavefoundation.org/https://localcatch.orgWatch this Chat on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhJjuhgs_4Watch more Waterside Chats or subscribe to the podcast: https://conservefish.org/resources/waterside-chat/The Marine Fish Conservation Network’s Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode the Network’s Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation, and coastal ways of life.Join the Network's email list to learn about future Waterside Chats: https://conservefish.org/join-our-email-list/
Climate Change & Our Oceans: Waterside Chat with Jean Flemma
Jul 25 2023
Climate Change & Our Oceans: Waterside Chat with Jean Flemma
Jean Flemma, co-founder of the Urban Ocean Lab and director of the Ocean Defense Initiative, joined the Marine Fish Conservation Network for an online Waterside Chat on July 19, 2023. Jean is a long-time policy hand and, as host Tom Sadler described her, “important and very wise counsel on ocean policy”. Their conversation covered a range of issues related to oceans and climate change, focusing on actions by the Biden administration and the Blueprint for Ocean Climate Action.Among many other topics, Jean and Tom discussed:Why our food supply, coastal communities, coral reefs and more are threatened as the ocean warms and acidifiesWhy if we want a livable planet for our children, we can no longer kick the climate can down the roadThe Biden administration’s commitment to addressing climate change’s effects on our oceans, and how they are following through on it, including historic sums allocated for coastal-community resilience, electrification of ports and much moreWhy NMFS needs to be doing a lot more to support fisheries managers in addressing the challenges climate change presents to our fisheriesHow the Ocean Defense Initiative focuses on the idea of amplifying ocean issues, to help them break through with decision-makersHow Blueprint for Ocean Climate Action was crowdsourced from a wide swath of advocates, scientists and activistsLearn more:The Urban Ocean LabThe Blueprint for Ocean Climate Action
Aquaculture the Right Way: Waterside Chat with Andrianna Natsoulas
Jun 28 2023
Aquaculture the Right Way: Waterside Chat with Andrianna Natsoulas
Andrianna Natsoulas joined host Tom Sadler on June 21, 2023 for a Waterside Chat organized by the Marine Fish Conservation Network. The campaign director for Don’t Cage Our Oceans, Andrianna is also the author of "Food Voices: Stories from the People Who Feed Us."In a wide-ranging conversation, Tom and Andrianna talked about:Don’t Cage Our Oceans' approach to open-ocean aquaculture policy and advocacyWhy Don't Cage Our Oceans argues that open-ocean, fin-fish aquaculture is neither economical nor sustainableThe downsides of open-ocean fin-fish farms, from nitrogen and carbon pollution to antibiotic releases and risks to marine mammalsThe comparison between open-ocean fish farms and factory farms on landThe need for fish-farming practices that are embedded in social, economic, and environmental values -- projects that provide nutritious fish to local residents, support the environment, and bring coastal communities more opportunitiesLearn more about Don’t Cage Our Oceans: https://dontcageouroceans.org/The Marine Fish Conservation Network’s Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode the Network’s Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation, and coastal ways of life.Join the Network's email list to learn about future Waterside Chats: https://conservefish.org/join-our-email-list/
Waterside Chat with Brad Warren of Global Ocean Health
Jun 26 2023
Waterside Chat with Brad Warren of Global Ocean Health
Brad Warren, president of Global Ocean Health, joined host Tom Sadler of the Marine Fish Conservation Network on May 31, 2023 for an online Waterside Chat. Global Ocean Health is based around the idea that when the "health of the ocean itself is threatened, the strongest champions are people who depend on it for a living." Brad and host Tom Sadler talked about:* How the seeing salmon reduced to a shadow of their former abundance - and size - motivated him and so many others to take action. * Why melting glaciers and ocean acidification are bad news for fish populations, and how fish losses from heat and drought are a direct and visible result of climate change.* How frontline food producers can see the unraveling of the ecosystems that make us dinner.* The power of fishermen speaking directly to Congress about the threat to their livelihoods and their ability to feed the rest of us* How Global Ocean Health is working with tribal nations to address climate change.* Why the tribal ethic of multi-generational stewardship is essential to helping restore the ocean, atmosphere, and land balance.* How Global Ocean Health, helps seafood producers, resource-dependent communities and scientists understand climate change, document its consequences, and protect fishery resources and ecosystems.More about Global Ocean Health: http://globaloceanhealth.org/The Marine Fish Conservation Network’s Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode the Network’s Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation, and coastal ways of life.More about the Network: https://conservefish.org/
Managing Gulf Fisheries for the Long Term: Waterside Chat with Eric Brazer
May 1 2023
Managing Gulf Fisheries for the Long Term: Waterside Chat with Eric Brazer
Eric Brazer joined host Tom Sadler for a Waterside Chat on April 26th, 2023. Eric is the deputy director of the Gulf of Mexico Reef Fish Shareholders' Alliance, a member of the Network’s Policy Council, and a voice on behalf of science-based management of Gulf Red Snapper and other species. Among many other things, Eric and Tom discussed:How despite years of fisheries conservation successes, the Gulf is telling us it's in trouble. Populations of fish such as gag grouper have declined to their lowest level on record, prompting huge cuts in fishing quotas.The need for ecosystem management rather than managing individual species in isolation.The need for fisheries managers to have experience in fisheries management or on the water. The Gulf management council has more people named "Bob" serving on it right now than it does actual commercial fishermen.How the Shareholder Alliance’s Quota Bank that helps reduce red snapper discards in the eastern Gulf by holding participants to a high standard of accountability in a market-based system.The Alliance's policy work to support good science and data, to educate regional and federal regulators, and to play an active role in shaping our commercial fishing regulations.Their work with the Gulf Wild brand program, supporting a seafood traceability program built by fishermen for fishermen.How the Alliance fosters the next generation of conservation-minded fishermen.The complex effects of climate change on Gulf fish populations.More about the Gulf of Mexico Reef Fish Shareholders' Alliance: https://shareholdersalliance.org/More about the Gulf Wild program: https://gulfwild.com/The Marine Fish Conservation Network’s Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode the Network’s Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation, and coastal ways of life.Join the Network's email list to learn about future Waterside Chats: https://conservefish.org/join-our-email-list/
Salmon, Steelhead and Climate Change in the Pacific Northwest: A Waterside Chat with Bob Rees
Apr 25 2023
Salmon, Steelhead and Climate Change in the Pacific Northwest: A Waterside Chat with Bob Rees
Bob Rees of the Northwest Guides and Anglers Association joined Waterside Chat host Tom Sadler on April 19, 2023 to talk about salmon, steelhead and conservation in the Pacific Northwest. Among many topics, they discussed:* How climate change and forest-clearing have raised water temperatures in many streams to the point that juvenile salmonids cannot thrive and often can't survive at all. Fish are a forest product, like timber, and forest management needs to take their survival into account* How the Snake River Dams have damaged or destroyed salmon runs that local communities have relied on for many years* How fishing guides and others whose livelihoods depend on healthy stocks of salmon and steelhead are working together to change public policy around fisheries and conservation.* Why even an email or a letter to a legislator or the Board of Forestry can make a difference* Tips for fishing in Oregon waters this yearMentioned in this episode:Northwest Guides and Anglers AssociationThe Association of Northwest SteelheadersNorthwest Sportfishing Industry AssociationTeam Spicy biggest fish winner videoThe Marine Fish Conservation Network’s Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode the Network’s Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation, and coastal ways of life.Join the Network's email list to learn about future Waterside Chats.
It's All About the Food System: A Waterside Chat with Justin Zeulner of The Wave Foundation
Mar 2 2023
It's All About the Food System: A Waterside Chat with Justin Zeulner of The Wave Foundation
The Wave Foundation Founder and President Justin Zeulner joined host Tom Sadler for a Waterside Chat on February 28, 2023, about The Wave's large-scale approaches to food programs around equity, environmental stewardship, diversity and resilience, with an emphasis on local production and healthy communities.The organization's big goals involve systemic change in the ways we feed ourselves as a society, but The Wave pivoted during Covid to providing services in the Pacific Northwest, particularly to rural and tribal communities not being effectively served by food banks and other traditional interventions. The Wave distributed eight million pounds of healthy, sustainably grown and culturally appropriate food in two years of the pandemic, including food boxes based around Alaska salmon or tribal-caught Columbia River salmon and filled out with other products grown locally in the Northwest.The food box program and The Wave's work to introduce locally and sustainably grown ingredients to sports arenas and other large public venues have had ripple effects, since a commitment to purchase allowed farmers to invest in capacity and grow their operations. Learn more about how Justin's time as a pioneering snowboarder sparked his interest in conservation, and how his experience with Paul Allen and the Green Sports Alliance helped The Wave come together.The Marine Fish Conservation Network’s Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode the Network’s Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation, and coastal ways of life.Learn about The Wave FoundationJoin the Network's email list to learn about future Waterside ChatsListen to Waterside Chats as a podcast
Waterside Chat with Vicki Nichols Goldstein of the Inland Oceans Coalition
Nov 11 2022
Waterside Chat with Vicki Nichols Goldstein of the Inland Oceans Coalition
On November 9th, 2022, Vicki Nichols Goldstein of the Inland Oceans Coalition joined host Tom Sadler of the Marine Fish Conservation Network for a Waterside Chat. Vicki and Tom discussed:*What land-to-sea stewardship means, and why you don’t have to see the ocean to protect it.*How we all have a direct impact on the cycles of life in the ocean, no matter where we live.*Vicki’s extensive background in ocean conservation, which has informed her work with stakeholders including fishermen and the fishing industry.*How the Coalition gives inland communities a voice in protecting our ocean by empowering them to become ocean champions in their communities. Inland communities and the ocean are directly connected, and the Coalition works to turn those connections into action for greater ocean and water conservation.*How the Coalition connects them with their legislative leaders and decisionmakers.*How the Coalition connects with unlikely allies such as farmers, who share an interest in water health. Sustainable oceans, sustainable land!*How partnerships have extended the Coalition’s reach to 26 countries.The Marine Fish Conservation Network’s Waterside Chat series connects people who depend on healthy oceans and fisheries with the issues that directly affect them and their communities. Each episode the Network’s Deputy Director Tom Sadler talks with different guests about ocean policy and fisheries management topics. He engages them in genuine and thoughtful conversations about what policy decisions mean for people’s livelihoods, communities, recreation, and coastal ways of life.The Inland Ocean Coalition: https://inlandoceancoalition.orgThe Marine Fish Conservation Network: https://www.conservefish.org
Waterside Chat with Lucas Bissett, Fishing Guide and AFFTA Executive Director
Sep 29 2022
Waterside Chat with Lucas Bissett, Fishing Guide and AFFTA Executive Director
In this Waterside Chat episode, Capt. Lucas Bissett joined host Tom Sadler on September 28, 2022. Lucas is the executive director of the American Fly Fishing Trade Association, and he's also an award winning saltwater fly-fishing guide, a member of the Marine Fish Conservation Network's National Policy Council and a stalwart conservation advocate. Lucas and Tom - old friends and fellow fishing guides - talked about:*Why fly fishing is such a central part of Lucas's life, going back to his childhood in Louisiana*How Louisiana - which loses a football field of land to the sea every 100 minutes - is the poster child for the devastating effects humans can have on an environment*How the Black Mangrove Project, which Lucas founded, has blossomed into something far larger than him*Why it's impossible to have any conversation around a marine or freshwater fishery without talking climate change*Why we need to include climate-change components into all of our fisheries management regimes*How fly-fishing can unite us past the partisan squabbles. Once you experience a day of fishing with someone, he says, that person becomes a real friendLucas also highlighted Tomorrow's Fish, an AFFTA project that "contextualize the importance of engaging in saltwater fisheries conservation".More:AFFTA: https://affta.org/Black Mangrove Project: https://www.anglersbetteringla.org/Tomorrow's Fish: https://afftafisheriesfund.org/blogour-view/tomorrows-fish
Waterside Chat: Alaĝum Kanuux, the Proposed Heart of the Ocean Marine Sanctuary off Alaska
Sep 7 2022
Waterside Chat: Alaĝum Kanuux, the Proposed Heart of the Ocean Marine Sanctuary off Alaska
[Recorded August 24, 2022]On August 24, 2022, Waterside Chat host Tom Sadler was joined by Marissa Merculieff, director of the Office of Justice and Governance Administration for the Aleut Community of Saint Paul Island, and Lauren Divine, director of the Ecosystem Conservation Office for the Tribal Government of Saint Paul Island.Tom and his guests talked about Alaĝum Kanuux (Heart of the Ocean) and the potential for this marine sanctuary in the Bering Sea off Alaska, including a historic co-management agreement between the Aleut Community of St. Paul Island and the federal government to establish co-equal governance and decision making for the sanctuary. Among many other topics, they discussed:The importance of the local community’s voice driving in the sanctuary nominationHow the Aleut people’s history of forced migration, slavery and forced labor on the Pribilof Islands have shaped their approach to Alaĝum Kanuux’s proposal to co-manage the sanctuary with the federal governmentThe powerful relationship local residents have with the region’s fur seals, whose population is unfortunately decliningThe islands’ boat-building heritageThe importance of fishing to the islands, including the local long-line, small-boat commercial halibut fishing fleetHow bycatch can shut down a whole fisheryThe economic and conservation implications of the resources and prominence that come with a sanctuary designationFor more on the islands’ history, Tom’s guests recommended “Slaves of the Harvest” (book, unfortunately out of print) and “People of the Seal” (YouTube video).