Steve talks about the Creation frauds Dr. Werner uncovered in his books and debunked that have been perpetrated on the public. Marv then introduces Dr. Werner along with his credentials. Dr. Werner explains how he came into the church and his belief in Creationism via the backdoor. Then, he attended medical school at age 18 & the first day they discussed evolution, and he bought the theories hook, line and sinker. He thought he knew science and a friend started asking him questions about what he knew about evolution and creation over pizza. Through the conversation and questions asked of him that evening, Dr. Werner decided he did not know as much about science as he thought. He then began to question himself about how life begins, and how life was formed here on earth. He then decided to believe in God and the Biblical version of creation and it took 6-months to come to the conclusion to become a Christian. The science caused him to conclude God had to be our creator. He began to research Creationism in earnest, but he was not finding the answers he was searching for so he decided to write a book on Creationism. So, 18-years after getting out of medical school it took him 27-years to finally collect the data, do the research and write the book. Werner then talked about that first book. He debunked the theories of the fossil record by evolutionists. Steve Grimes then recommends that people start with Dr. Werner’s 1st book… Evolution: The Grand Experiment: The Quest for an Answer Illustrated Edition. (Amazon Link: (https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Grand-Experiment-Carl-Werner/dp/0892216816)) Then, in his series of books, Dr. Werner then discusses the second book: Vol2, Living Fossils… https://www.amazon.com/s?k=living+fossils+werner&i=stripbooks&ref=nbsbssfb1_14 Dr. Werner explains his thinking about how he approached that 2nd book. Then, he discusses the Biblical Flood and how evolutionists hide evidence to preserve the theory of evolution. Evolutionists hide fossils they could not explain that were found with the dinosaurs. Then, Dr. Werner discusses his latest books, his third & fourth in the series. Discussed how he worked on all the books at the same time over a long period of years… Third book: Untold Stories of Human Evolution Dr. Werner’s website: https://www.thegrandexperiment.com/book-series Then, Dr. Werner, Steve Grimes & Marv Schaefer discuss…. Book 4 in the Series: Nine Categories Of Overturned Ape-Men How Evolutionists committed fraud sometimes intentional & some unintentional…150 known frauds. Then, Dr. Werner discusses how his entire life quest that the whole field of human evolution is flawed and the whole theory of naturalism collapsed. Then, the three discuss the setup for Part 2 of this podcast. Marv: Wraps up…. All Books & videos in the Series can be found at this link: https://www.thegrandexperiment.com/book-series

They cover Stephen’s background, education, studies et. Then, they discuss a paper he wrote about “which came first Adam or Death?” A look at Chronological Creationism. Wrote paper in response to another paper written, and looked at precedence of Paul writings in Galatians 3 and Romans 4-Abraham came first, before Moses. Are we to take the word, “days” literally? Non-creationist argue, days in the bible didn’t really mean 24-hours. Dr. Llyod brought up relative chronology, Abraham was before Moses, however how long before we don’t know. So, we need to go to the cross and look at it first. The cross and death of Jesus at the Cross was put in motion by Adam’s sin. No death before sin. The Bible is telling a story so chronological order is important. His methodology takes a look at the New Creation….and the Resurrection. In the resurrection, Jesus overcame death. So, if God created death first and overcame something God himself created, the resurrection is less important. But, if death started with Adam’s sin, then overcoming death has a whole new and significant meaning. Then, they move onto the flood. There is a redemptive quality to the flood as the animals saved come out on the other side of man’s sin just as the New Creation overcomes man’s sin. So, the Flood was transformational and was worldwide not a local event as evolutionist believe. If local, all the people outside the flood zone would be excluded from God’s post flood promises. All through Scripture, the stories are tied to reality that can no longer be argued away be archeological discoveries are backing it all up. The Bible is not mythological, it’s all tied to history. Canaanites feared God because everything He commanded kept coming true A lot of the bigger issues in life and apologetics are answered through a logical approach to creationism. They wrap it up and tell listeners when they can find it. Here’s the link: Adam or Death? Which came first. YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb4tA5_JXhI https://www.affinity.org.uk/news/439-adam-or-death-which-came-first/

Presentations that Paul gave at the UCCA for the ICC-International Creation Conference. Concordance-Radiometric Isotope Dating-and why Creationist are interestedin this type of dating fossils. -The constancy of the radioactive decay rates-varied by thousands of years. -Accelerated nuclear decay accounts for the variance in ages. -Then talked about the RATE project-Rate stands for Radioactivity & The Earth. -Garner was interested in discordance in the rates and she took a look at it more closely. Took a large database of rocks and 29,000 isotopes and compared the rocks age range, as long as the margin of errors matched up. They concluded that was concordant if there was overlap. -By comparing the ranges between more dates with the wide variety of radio isotope dating, the more discordance that is going on. -The study authors gave wide latitude in the dating and the types of dating; however, there was consistency in discordance. -New version of the database came out in January this year that will help determine the accuracy of the database. -Do minerals give different dates within the same rocks? There is a lot more than can be done with the preliminary study. Study Garner discusses he wants to expand upon and of course, his study raises a lot of questions for Creationists. Number of talks at the International Creation Conference similar to what Garner discussed. A lot of advancement between the original ICC and the most recent conference. Zachary promotes next podcast with Dr. Stephen Lloyd about Noah’s Flood and the Biblical record.

Garner gives organization’s contact information, website address: https://biblicalcreationtrust.org/ & where to find them on YouTube. Talked about International Conference on Creationism at Cedarville, OH., and why it’s a great conference. Real data driven presentations at the conference and why that is important in keeping the science pure to connect biblical bases information to those models. They talked about the paleo-fossil database. Why this ICC conference was one of the best because of the quality of the presentations and because of the number of young people involved in creationist studies. Then, they moved to one of Paul’s presentation titles, “Testing the order of the fossil record.” Why people are often skeptical of the order of the fossil record? And, the resolution of that skepticism….and the significance of the work of Dr. Kurt Wise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Wise The floating florist model and the correlation of the evolutionary trees. Wise’s study and its limitations of his unpublished study and how they took Wise’s data and expanded upon it to see what patterns developed and what came out that study. So, this study helped answer all sorts of questions while raising new creations. Finding sequences in the order of the fossil record and where they fall pre-and-post the world flood depicted in the Bible. Zachary Klein then wraps it up and then promotes the continuation of their discussion in their next episode of Show Me Creation.

Zachary Klein introduces the Mastodon State Historic site and why it is important to the Ice Age and the Biblical record. How the first Mastodon found in Missouri became part of a carnival sideshow and then eventually to the British History Museum. The difference between Mastodon and the European Wooly Mammoth of Siberia. Then, Zach gets into an explanation of baraminology and the science behind this dating methodology and why it is significant to the archeological record. The Mastodon is a separate family, separate creatures who were created to browse instead of graze. Information on the Mastodon and the State Park found here: Mhttps://mostateparks.com/park/mastodon-state-historic-siteore Zach then goes on to explain what brought about the Ice Age and its impact on Mastodon and he ties it to the Great Flood of the Bible. Little seasonal contrasts during the Ice Age added to our understanding of the arrival or timing of the glaciers of the Ice Age. The bones at the Mastodon site are between 12-15,000 years old. Ice Age took place 30,000 years ago. Radiocarbon dating measures the carbon build up in the Mastodon bones. So, how did they determine if the Mastodons of the Park lived in the Ice Age. Then, they explained the calibration to date how old fossil bones and how they relate to the Creation model. Coal seams in the Missouri fossil record determine when the organic materials was formed, died and decomposed and were compressed to create coal. Animals at Mastodon were hunted and butchered there pointing the park as a hunting area by a nomadic tribe known as the Clovis culture. The first signs of the Clovis people were found in Clovis, New Mexico, thus the name. The Great Flood of the Bible produced a climate change that allowed a rapid expansion of people across the earth. Genesis 1 is real and can be trusted. The Bible’s account of the flood gave the earth a fresh start, not a myth. We can see evidence of it via the fossil record. Zach then wraps up the video of the tour of the Mastodon State Park. The data collected at the park totally supports the Great Flood, the Ice Age and the Biblical Record. More information here: https://www.columbiamissourian.com/specialsection/tourism/southeastmissouri/discover-16-000-year-old-fossils-at-mastodon-state-park-in-imperial/article_3e52906e-c760-11ec-88be-eff28a91ab51.html https://sciencebyseltzer.com/mastodon-state-historic-site/

Marv opens and introduces Steve and they immediately start to talk about the James Webb Space Telescope and what it is revealing about our universe. The James Webb Space telescope and the new solar systems it’s revealing that scientists are debating as to when they were created, What makes the telescope so amazing, the fact that we have the materials to make such a telescope and how Earth is perfectly positioned by God to view the Cosmos. The telescope is making astrophysicists to rethink their theories and at least these scientists are willing to have discussions whereas biologists are not so inclined to entertain theories about evolution. They then talk about the Big Bang Theory and singularity and what created the universe. Astrophysicists are now having to admit that they need to through out theories developed over the last 40-years now that they have the other evidence that the telescope is revealing. We can see how the universe works but these scientists cannot really explain how it came to be without acknowledging the singularity of God. The Big Bang Cosmology starts very simply; however, the Webb Space Telescope is showing that light or less heavy particles were emitted and not heavy particles. Webb is showing the building blocks of universe did not happen suddenly. It took a long, long time for the complex distant galaxies Webb is exposing and the Webb Telescope is devolving the theories of cosmology. There are galaxies that predate ours and scientist are discovering they are more complex than they previously thought. And, the time it took for God to create them upsets the timeline of cosmology. Then, they explain why the Webb telescope is different Hubbell telescope because Webb is looking at at the infrared spectrum and measuring heat with great detail. Webb is confirming what scientists thought they saw from Hubbell. But, Webb is taking it further by giving us better information and numbers that point to how fast the universe is expanding. God gives us opportunities to see evidence of His creativity. And, how those opportunities make us all stand in awe in the awesome power of God. They then talk about any system even the universe is designed by a higher power. It’s not random as scientists have tried to explain via the sudden event of the Big Bang Theory. There is absolutely a grand design being carried out by a grand creator. Then, they describe how the Bible are describes the planets and the stars, but the Good Book was not written as a science book. But, then they explain as the stars falling to the earth as foretold in the Bible as scientist and writer Neil degrass Tyson dismisses. (Neil deGrasse Tyson ( US: / dəˈɡræs / or UK: / dəˈɡrɑːs /; born October 5, 1958) is an American astrophysicist, author, and science communicator. Tyson studied at Harvard University, the University of Texas at Austin, and Columbia University. From 1991 to 1994, he was a postdoctoral research associate at Princeton University. Then, they close about how the next two to five years what will the Webb Telescope will reveal how excited they are about it; however, scientists will try to dismiss them because they will not allow a Devine foot in the door or acknowledge God our Creator.

Steve Grimes has a B.S. degree from Washington University in St. Louis in Systems and Data Processing. He was also an adjunct faculty member for the Washington University School of Engineering and Applied Science for 25 years, teaching Computer Systems Architecture in the undergraduate Bachelor of Science program. He currently works as a Business Intelligence developer, capping an Information Technology career that spans multiple computer environments and languages. Marv Schaefer graduated St. Louis University in 1973 with a Bachelors degree in Marketing. He currently serves as President of the the Missouri Association for Creation. His interest in the Creation/Evolution debate was kindled in 2004 when his 5th grade daughter was laughed at by her classmates and dismissed by her teacher for not believing that the earth is billions of years old. Since that time Marv has become a diligent student of Biblical Creation and the inherent flaws of the theory of evolution. It is his desire to pass that knowledge on to others. Introductions….by Marv Dr. Rob Carter is a geneticist at Creation Ministries, and they talk about baraminology, or the study of created kinds. Or, “After its kind..” Marv expounds about Dr. Carter’s background, Steve talks about what baramins are and who created classifications for all species definitions. What the Book of Genesis says about created “kinds” or what God created in the animal kingdom outside of two humans. The baraminology bandwagon and how genetics embraced it until they discovered it did not quite work because of the variations of the species. Then, they introduce the term cladistics, which is a way to group animals together by features, what they share and don’t share. How, for instance how humans resemble and shared features with chimps. So, that is cladistics. It’s a grouping mechanism by shared characteristics. Then genetics changed everything. DNA and genetic sequencing changed the whole study. We can be one letter different than chimps, but more than a three percent difference makes evolution impossible. So, we did not evolve from chimps. Then, Rob goes into how our genetic makeup is different from chimps and how things don’t line up between humans and chimps. Evolutionist Jon Edward Ahlquist (died on May 7, 2020, at the age of 75. Thirty years ago, Jon was one of the most famous ornithologists in the world, co-recipient of the 1988 Daniel Giraud Elliot Medal from the National Academy of Sciences and winner of the 1983 Edward's Prize from the Wilson Ornithological Society.), was the first to say humans and chimps are 98% identical and how he came to that conclusion through his experiments. Why Ahlquist’s deductions and experiments whereby he reached his conclusions was flawed. Later, Ahlquist realized that his experiments only worked with parts that align, not with the parts that do not align. Dr. Carter talked about the four dimensions of DNA. Look for the “High Tech Cell video for more. How he discovered DNA is multidimensional and why that blew him away. You have 6-feet of gnomes per human cell. To make it fit, God made DNA multidimensional. And, the third dimension is also important for how gnomes fold to get them all to fit in one cell. Then, Dr. Carter talks about how scientists found out DNA is multidimensional and how DNA that cross links and the genes that are used together align next to each other in 3D in a very complex folding pattern. All the genes that need to be turned on can be turned on at the same time as a group because they rest in the same pocket of the nucleus. God optimized this order of how genes align to create the different species. We may have a lot of the same genes as chimps, but the gene orders are different and so they cannot transition easily from one to another. Then, they start to talk about amino acids and RNA and how that all works. Genes that are clustered together are tuned to work optimally with different sets of genes. It’s another level of high order never explained before and it is not random like evolutionists argue. Finally, time is also part of the forth dimension and optimized over time. Genes evolve over time and they are not the same genes that your mother passed along wo you in the womb. Genomes change over four different dimensions over different time. It’s so complicated and so amazing that it only brings glory to God. Cancer is when this system gets out of whack and cells start to reproduce on their own out of control. Viruses may cause this highly tuned system to get out of whack. Marv then reads from Romans one…and talks about why so many science still hold to the thought that if God’s DNA is not random and evolved over millions of years, then, the alternative is that God of the Bible is real and will hold people accountable for their actions, and they cannot accept that so they hide behind the argument of evolution. Marv wraps up…..

Steve Grimes has a B.S. degree from Washington University in St. Louis in Systems and Data Processing. He was also an adjunct faculty member for the Washington University School of Engineering and Applied Science for 25 years, teaching Computer Systems Architecture in the undergraduate Bachelor of Science program. He currently works as a Business Intelligence developer, capping an Information Technology career that spans multiple computer environments and languages. Marv Schaefer graduated St. Louis University in 1973 with a Bachelors degree in Marketing. He currently serves as President of the the Missouri Association for Creation. His interest in the Creation/Evolution debate was kindled in 2004 when his 5th grade daughter was laughed at by her classmates and dismissed by her teacher for not believing that the earth is billions of years old. Since that time Marv has become a diligent student of Biblical Creation and the inherent flaws of the theory of evolution. It is his desire to pass that knowledge on to others. Marv uses both absurdity and humor to press important points in his presentations. They are entertaining and thought-provoking for young adults as well as long-time believers. -Introduction of Dr. Rob Carter -Discussion begins about Adam & Eve & “People Outside the Garden Theory.” -How is it that we have so many ethnicities if we’re all descendants of Adam & Eve. -The genetics of Adam & Eve. What genetics tell us about cultures everywhere. Show Me Creation Episode 4 -2- -There are no race specific genetic markers. -They discuss population genetics modeling and variants. -How they look at the genetic modeling of Adam & Eve with the intent of building a family tree. -Measurable genetic mutation rates and why they matter. One mutation per generation along the Y chromosome. -Mitochondrial Eve and our descendants coming from one woman and how when extrapolated back it goes back to one Y chromosome. -Mutation rates fit the biblical model. -The Thousand Genome Project and how it works and why it is so important. -Error rates in genetic data and mutation data and rates. -No matter how many genome projects, they still do not produce quality data. -Where to find Dr. Rob Carter’s genome data. -As far as genetics goes, there is no longer any privacy and all the skeletons in all those closets are coming out or is already out and readily accessible. -Everything started from a single male, and the origin for human sexual reproduction. -Where to access Rob’s video on the Seven Reasons to Believe the Biblical Adam -then Rob explains the seven reasons such as mutation rates, genetic diversity, the distribution of the genetic variants, 30-million variants in Adam’s reproductive cells. Mutation rates are not constant. The Bible says God, Jesus and Paul all said Adam was real. -Recap of Part 1 , and promotion of Prt 2 with Dr. Rob Carter.

Marv interviews Scott Jarus about the bi-annual tour hosted by MAC at the St. Louis Zoo and God's incredible creativity in the animal kingdom. Ratings, comments and questions are welcome! Missouri Association for Creation https://missouricreation.com

Zak continues our interview Dr. Marcus Ross, creation paleontologist, on the subject of the historical Adam. Ratings, comments and questions are welcome! Missouri Association for Creation https://missouricreation.com Marcus Ross / Cornerstone Educational Supply https://cornerstone-edsupply.com/

Marv and Zak introduce the podcast, and Zak interviews Dr. Marcus Ross, creation paleontologist, on the subject of the importance of Genesis, the Flood, and Biblical Creation. Ratings, comments and questions are welcome! Missouri Association for Creation https://missouricreation.com (https://missouricreation.com) Marcus Ross / Cornerstone Educational Supply https://cornerstone-edsupply.com/ (https://cornerstone-edsupply.com/)