Leading 4 Life "Stories"

Bob Judson

I am Bob Judson and I spent over 34 years in the Royal Air Force of the United Kingdom as a fast-jet pilot and then eventually as a senior leader, retiring from the military in 2015 as an Air Vice-Marshal (2* General).  I subsequently transitioned to the corporate world as a consultant at Deloitte, but in 2019 I stepped away from all that and co-founded Leading 4 Life.

I am passionate about helping to develop the leadership skills of individuals and teams and that is what this podcast is all about.  You will hear from me, and from a wide range of special guests, many of whom have had incredible leadership journeys and risen to the most senior level of their governments, militaries and corporations.  The focus won't only be on success; there is also much to be learned from the failures along the way!

Thank you for listening!

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBob

Website: https://leading4life.co.uk/

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E43 - Guests: Reuben Keith Green, US Navy (Retired)
May 26 2024
E43 - Guests: Reuben Keith Green, US Navy (Retired)
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageMy guest this week is Reuben Keith Green, a former US Navy surface warfare officer and the published author of "Black Officer, White Navy".  As the book title suggests, Keith's life in the US Navy was a challenging one and, since leaving the Navy in 1997, he has devoted the majority of his time to trying to improve the situation that black members of the US Navy face on a routine basis. This interview discusses Keith's personal journey at length,  including the discrimination he faced throughout his time as an enlisted rank, and then subsequently as an officer.  It is not a wholly negative story.  As Keith makes very clear, he worked with many excellent white officers, and many of the key influencers in his life have been white.   However, there are plenty of seriously challenging issues as well, and Keith does not hold back when it comes to describing the difficulties he faced and the lasting impact they have had on him.This is a hard hitting story but one that absolutely must be told as Keith's experiences carry lessons for all leaders in the private sector as well as the military and wider public sector.  Although Keith's focus is clearly within the US, the examples he quotes are regularly cited much more widely and that is why I think what Keith has to say is so important.  His book was originally self-published but is now being republished in a much more mainstream way.  It is already available in the US and will be available in the UK from June 2024 - I for one will certainly be reading it as, having spoken at such length with Keith, I am really interested to get to that next level of detail in his memoir. You can find Keith here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/reuben-green-6aa9037b/In this episode we cover the following topics (starting time in brackets):Keith's career journey (00.02.16)Early motivations (00.04.24)Advice to a school age Keith! (00.05.50)The challenge of being successful AND black (00.06.56)Role models (00.13.08)Dealing with attacks on social media (00.17.07)The good, the bad, and the ugly of leadership experiences! (00.25.15)Racial divides (00.30.07)Staying motivated! (00.38.46)Highs and lows; what Keith would have done differently (00.45.09)Most significant achievement (00.47.36)Career low point (00.51.51)Bouncing back from challenging situations (00.54.33)"Black Officer, White Navy" (01.00.31)De-stressing and relaxing (01.03.04)Perspectives on the US at present (01.05.54)Most memorable event (01.09.15)Moving from the enlisted ranks to the officer corps (01.11.28)Most difficult question (01.13.00)Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/
E40 - Guests: Mary Walter, US Talk Radio Host
May 5 2024
E40 - Guests: Mary Walter, US Talk Radio Host
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageMy guest this week is Mary Walter, a TV and radio broadcast personality, and a podcast host, based in New Jersey, USA.  Mary and I have known each other for many years and I was really keen to tap into her Talk Radio experience to get some new perspectives not only on her own career and journey, but also on the US more generally.  As I anticipated, this is an episode with plenty of laughs but also a wide range of serious perspectives that I certainly hope you find both useful and interesting.You can find Mary here:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-walter-8550a4a/Twitter / X: https://twitter.com/MaryWalterRadioYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@marywalterradio/streamsApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mary-walter-radio/id1653027709Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6QrgBL7OPcfTJKx5VDE6npIn this episode we cover the following topics (starting time in brackets):Mary's career journey (00.02.16)Early motivations (00.13.09)Advice to a school age Mary! (00.16.17)Most impressive leadership behaviours (00.18.33)Divisions in the USA - causes & remedies (00.21.56)Risks of civil violence (00.31.48)Shoring up democracy in the USA (00.41.25)What might a Trump 2.0 Presidency look like? (00.53.45)Highs and lows (01.04.16)Most significant achievement (01.11.40)Career low point (01.13.17)De-stressing and relaxing (01.16.15)Most memorable event (01.18.30)Most difficult question (01.19.58)Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/
E38 - Guests: Juliet Kennedy, Former Operations Director at National Air Traffic Services
Apr 21 2024
E38 - Guests: Juliet Kennedy, Former Operations Director at National Air Traffic Services
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageI am delighted to be joined this week by Juliet Kennedy.  Juliet very recently completed more than 8 years as the Operations Director at National Air Traffic Services, the capstone of an entire 43 year career within the world of Air Traffic Control.Juliet speaks very candidly about her love of a job that many would consider extraordinarily stressful but which she simply thrived on.  She is very clear that it is the outstanding people within the air traffic world that make it what it is, and she offers some fascinating perspectives on leadership and life in general.You can find Juliet on LinkedIn here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliet-kennedy-14b38420/In this episode we cover the following topics (starting time in brackets):Juliet's career journey (00.01.22)Early motivations (00.06.00)Advice to a school age Juliet! (00.12.17)Imposter syndrome and the progression of opportunities for women (00.13.36)Adjustments to leadership style and important traits / values (00.18.42)The importance of early exposure to leadership training & development (00.25.01)Highs and lows (00.30.17)Most significant achievement (00.37.25)Career low point (00.39.31)Managing work : life balance (00.42.44)Personal lessons from crises (00.53.24)Perspectives on the future of the aviation industry & air traffic control (00.57.06)Changes / challenges for the future of air traffic control ()Most memorable event (01.06.14)Most difficult question (01.07.13)Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/
E37 - Guests: Nick Anderson, Former RAF pilot and Senior Captain with Virgin Atlantic
Apr 14 2024
E37 - Guests: Nick Anderson, Former RAF pilot and Senior Captain with Virgin Atlantic
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageMy guest this week is Nick Anderson.  Nick is  one of my original flying instructors from my own time in the Royal Air Force's flying training system, and spent his whole working life in the world of aviation.  He spent 19 years in the Royal Air Force as a fighter pilot and advanced flying instructor, followed by an outstanding and longer 25 year career in Virgin Atlantic, eventually becoming one of Virgin's most senior captains on the Airbus A340. Nick is also one of the hosts on the highly regarded Airline Pilot Guy Show podcast (https://airlinepilotguy.com/), which is really worth listening to even if you only have a passing interest in all things aviation.We had a very enjoyable conversation and, amongst a range of humorous moments, and aviation stories, there are some fantastic tips on leadership and also managing your own mental health.  You can find Nick here:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nick.anderson.pilotTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/OldPlotInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/old.pilot340/You can find the Airline Pilot Guy Show here:Website: https://airlinepilotguy.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/airlinepilotguyTwitter / X: https://twitter.com/apgcrewInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/apgcrew/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@airlinepilotguyIn this episode we cover the following topics (starting time in brackets):Nick's career journey (00.02.34)Reminiscing about the RAF (00.10.57)Early motivations (00.19.10)Changes to leadership style (00.26.37)Role models (00.38.39)Advice to a school age Nick! (00.45.29)Most important leadership traits and values (00.47.51)A bomb warning on the aircraft! (00.50.49)Highs and lows (01.02.15)Most important achievement (01.06.49)Managing mental health and work : life balance (01.12.43)Nick's perspective on the future of civil aviation (01.20.12)The Airline Pilot Guy Show podcast (01.27.17)Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/
E36 - Guests: Liz McConaghy, the "Chinook Crew Chick"!
Apr 7 2024
E36 - Guests: Liz McConaghy, the "Chinook Crew Chick"!
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageIt was an absolute pleasure to interview the effervescent and award winning Liz McConaghy for this week's episode.  Author of the outstanding autobiographical book "Chinook Crew Chick", Liz is the longest serving female Chinook crewman, and during her 17 year RAF career, she completed an unbelievable 2 flying tours in Iraq and 10 in Afghanistan.  She accrued some 3000 hours in the Chinook and flew in some incredibly tough roles, including a lot of Medical Emergency Response Team (MERT) work, recovering injured and sometimes dead soldiers from the battlefield.Liz's story really only starts with her time in the RAF though.  Once she left, she suffered very significantly from post traumatic stress and ultimately attempted to take her own life in 2020.  She talks extensively about this dark chapter of her life in the podcast and provides a huge amount of great advice for dealing with mental health challenges both personally and with those around you.  It is an incredibly inspirational story and Liz's work now focused on helping others to understand and handle mental health challenges in all walks of life.  Without doubt, this is one of the most important podcasts I have done and I am sure you will find what Liz has to say, valuable, emotional and inspirational in equal measure.  I cannot recommend her book highly enough - it is a really great read! You can find Liz on here:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/liz-mcconaghy-84a46822/Twitter / X:  https://twitter.com/chinnychickIn this episode we cover the following topics (starting time in brackets):Liz' career journey (00.02.53)Operations in Afghanistan (00.04.22)Early motivations (00.16.06)Advice to a school age Liz (00.21.33)Leadership as a Chinook crewman (00.23.19)Role models (00.26.59)Liz' mental health story (00.30.17)Retraumatisation and "opening the box" (00.40.24)Mental health coping strategies (00.50.05)Highs and lows (00.57.13)Most significant achievement (01.01.19)Career low point (01.02.47)Emptying the bucket! (01.06.43)Reflections on the RAF (01.09.27)Most memorable event (01.16.05)Most difficult question (01.17.32)Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/
E35 - Guests: Bishop Graham James, Former Bishop of Norwich
Mar 31 2024
E35 - Guests: Bishop Graham James, Former Bishop of Norwich
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageThis episode is being published on Easter Sunday 2024 so an interview with a senior figure in the Church of England seemed highly appropriate, and I am delighted that my guest for this episode is Bishop Graham James, the former Bishop of Norwich.Bishop Graham and I first met back in 2001 when I had the privilege of flying him in a Jaguar from RAF Coltishall, where I was the Officer Commanding Number 6 Squadron at the time.  He is a really lovely and very inspirational man who has had a fascinating life journey and I am sure you will find his story extremely interesting.  Not only does he describe his own journey as a leader with great candour, but he also offers some terrific insights on a wide range of issues along the way.  Enjoy! In this interview we cover the following topics (starting time in brackets):Bishop Graham's career journey (00.03.04)Early motivations (00.13.01)Advice to a school aged Graham (00.18.05)Changes to leadership style (00.24.54)The Church & politics (00.37.45)Leadership traits and values (00.41.01)Role models (00.47.10)Highs & lows (00.50.35)Work : life balance (01.02.58)Challenges for the Church of England (01.07.37)Most memorable event (01.15.15)Most difficult question (01.17.41)An Easter message! (01.19.16)Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/
E34 - Guests: John Volanthen GM, Cave Explorer and Cave Rescue Expert
Mar 24 2024
E34 - Guests: John Volanthen GM, Cave Explorer and Cave Rescue Expert
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageI feel immensely privileged to have had the opportunity to interview John Volanthen for Leading 4 Life "Stories".  His name might not be immediately familiar to you but I am sure that the cave rescue of the 12 children and their football coach from a flooded cave in Northern Thailand in 2018 might ring some louder bells.  John, together with his dive partner Rick Stanton, were the first to find the children and their coach, when hope was fading that they would survive, and both men were subsequently instrumental in the successful rescue of all 13 a few days later.  It is a remarkable story and John is a remarkable man.  Incredibly modest and self effacing, he makes light of his extraordinary achievements but is also incredibly honest about some of the challenges he has faced when he discusses the highs and lows of his life so far.There are a plethora of great pieces of leadership advice in this interview and I really hope you enjoy it.  If you have not already done so, I would also urge you to watch the documentary made about the Thai cave rescue entitled "The Rescue".  I found it to be a gripping watch and it sheds yet more light on the remarkable achievements of John and the very large team that collectively worked to rescue the "Wild Boars" football team and their coach. You can find John on LinkedIn here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/jvolanthen/In this interview we cover the following topics (starting time in brackets):John's career and diving journey (00.03.39)Insights into cave diving (00.10.33)Stress management & personal resilience (00.14.25)Leadership traits (00.23.28)Role models (00.29.51)Working with youth organisations (00.32.24)The 2018 Thai cave rescue story (00.38.43)Highs and lows! (00.53.30)Work : life balance (01.00.42)Dealing with fame and the media (01.02.29)Most memorable event! (01.09.41)Most difficult question! (01.11.02) Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/
E32 - Guests: Mandy Hickson, RAF Tornado Pilot, Author, Keynote Speaker
Mar 10 2024
E32 - Guests: Mandy Hickson, RAF Tornado Pilot, Author, Keynote Speaker
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageThis week's episode was a real joy for me as it is an interview with fellow fast-jet pilot and former RAF Officer, Mandy Hickson.  Mandy was one of the very first women to go through RAF flying training and was the second female Tornado GR4 pilot.  She had an extremely active 17 year RAF career, and is now the bestselling author of "An Officer, not a Gentleman", and a highly acclaimed motivational speaker whose talents are in demand all over the world.Unsurprisingly, Many and I have a great deal in common given our shared RAF flying experiences, and this was a hugely enjoyable conversation which covered a lot of ground, but which also touched on a wide range of important areas of leadership.  I really hope you enjoy listening to it as we did making it.You can find Mandy on LinkedIn here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/mandyhickson/In this interview we cover the following topics (starting time in brackets):Mandy's career journey (00.02.40)Early motivations (00.07.12)Being at the front end of female aircrew in the RAF (00.11.53)Leadership issues! (00.23.05)Advice to a school age Mandy! (00.44.16)Giving back as a leader (00.46.46)Learning from military transition (00.49.21)Role models (00.57.40)What would Mandy have done differently? (01.02.11)Career high point (01.07.35)Career low point (01.10.12)Work : life balance (01.14.48)The world of motivational speaking ((01.18.51)The next steps for Mandy Hickson! (01.24.45)Most memorable event! (01.26.34)Most difficult question! (01.28.36)Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/
E29 - Guests: Steven Moore, Former US Congressional Chief of Staff and President of the Ukraine Freedom Project
Feb 18 2024
E29 - Guests: Steven Moore, Former US Congressional Chief of Staff and President of the Ukraine Freedom Project
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageThis week, Leading 4 Life Stories goes international and my guest is Steven Moore, a former US Congressional Chief of Staff, and now President of the Ukraine Freedom Project.  Steven is a highly experienced political strategist, international social entrepreneur and public opinion researcher, who has a wide range of really interesting perspectives on both the US political situation and the wider world of geopolitics. Given the very current challenges facing the world at large and the US in particular, this was an interview that I really enjoyed and from which I learned a great deal.  Steven has a great vantage point both from his past experience and from his current political activity and connections, and he really brings this to life with the discussion.  I very much hope you enjoy it and find it useful.You can find Steven on LinkedIn here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-moore-7884a04/In this interview we cover the following topics (starting time in brackets):Steven's career journey (00.02.08)Early motivations (00.06.52)Conforming to the political narrative (00.09.09)The US as the "world's policeman"? (00.11.11)A world optimised for economic ease rather than security! (00.21.36)The political divisions in the US (00.26.06)Perspectives on the 2024 US Presidential Election (00.30.37)Thoughts on the ongoing crisis in Ukraine (00.36.21)Role models (00.43.27)Important leadership traits (00.45.05)What would Steven have done differently? (00.49.36)Career high point (00.53.02)Career low point (00.54.33)Most memorable event! (01.01.13)Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/
E28 - Guests: Chief Constable Jo Shiner, Chief Constable of Sussex Police
Feb 11 2024
E28 - Guests: Chief Constable Jo Shiner, Chief Constable of Sussex Police
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageMy guest this week is Chief Constable Jo Shiner, the ninth Chief Constable of Sussex Police and the first female officer to hold the role.  Jo is a career police officer having served for over 30 years initially in Norfolk and Kent before moving to Sussex as the Deputy Chief Constable in late 2018.  She was subsequently selected to be the Chief Constable in July 2020.During her long career, Jo has carried out a very wide range of policing roles and has also held a number of national responsibilities.  She is currently the national lead for roads policing, an issue very close to her own heart as she explains in the interview.This was a fascinating interview as we cover not only a wide range of Jo's personal leadership experiences, but also touch on a lot of wider policing topics that I suspect you will find extremely interesting.  I really hope you enjoy the session.You can find Jo on LinkedIn here:https://www.linkedin.com/in/jo-shiner-1b80b82a0/In this interview we cover the following topics (starting time in brackets):Jo's career journey (00.02.01)Balancing national and local responsibilities (00.03.41)Early motivations (00.05.56)Changes in policing over a 31 year career (00.07.42)Adjustments to leadership style (00.11.45)Advice to a school age Jo! (00.14.38)Role models (00.15.30)Most important leadership traits (00.20.56)Managing reputational issues and challenges in the police service (00.23.18)What would Jo have done differently! (00.34.32)Most important achievement and legacy (00.36.32)Career low point (00.46.44)Managing mental health challenges in the police service (00.48.47)Work : life balance (00.51.17)Public confidence in the police service (00.58.55)Keeping police officers safe when on duty (01.02.03)Most memorable event! (01.13.20)Most difficult question! (01.14.04)Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/
E25 - Guests: Steve Brown, Futurist, AI Expert, Entrepreneur and Author
Jan 21 2024
E25 - Guests: Steve Brown, Futurist, AI Expert, Entrepreneur and Author
I'd love to hear from you; feel free to send me a Text MessageThis week is a little different to normal as I combine a thematic issue with a guest interview and discuss the whole topic of Artificial Intelligence with Steve Brown.Steve is a leading expert on generative AI, autonomous AI assistants, digital transformation, the future of work, and how advances in AI will shape the future of education, business and society.  He is a published author and speaks globally to a very wide range of corporates and media outlets on all things AI and, importantly, has a rare ability to explain a very complex issue in ways that normal mortals like me can understand!As you will discover if you listen to the podcast, Steve generously offered access to a range of free resources (not discoverable by normal search) on his website and having taken a look, this is a veritable gold mine of material to help you learn more about this vitally important topic.  The web URL you need to go to is at 00.45.50 on the podcastI really hope you enjoy this session; given that it's very different to my normal podcasts, I would really value your feedback please!You can find Steve here:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/futuresteve/Website: https://www.stevebrownfuturist.com/In this interview we cover the following subjects (starting time in brackets):What is a "futurist"? (00.02.52)Steve's career journey (00.06.20)The future is something that humans build together! (00.09.42)Early motivations (00.11.54)Advice to a school age Steve! (00.16.40)Expectations of what might happen due to AI (00.20.00)What should leaders be doing now? (00.28.10)Avoiding AI vs embracing AI (00.30.46)Early adopter vs laggard! (00.32.54)Comparisons with other technological waves (00.38.46)Getting on the AI starting grid! (00.44.47)AI in education (00.49.25)AI risks and mitigations (00.56.44)Work / life balance (01.02.43)Most memorable event (01.04.39)Most difficult question (01.07.07) Thank you for listening!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judsonbob/Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudsonBobWebsite: https://leading4life.co.uk/