Haleon, a world-leading consumer health company, are dealing with large enterprise legacy, as they were formed via a demerger from GSK. While product engineering and the transition to product-centric organizations are often associated solely with born-in-the-cloud companies, the reality is usually much broader, and Haleon are on that journey. This week Dave, Rob and Sjoukje talk to Steve Westgarth, Global Head of Engineering & Architecture at Haleon, about product engineering best practices, building high performing teams, aligning product teams with the business, getting the engineers as close to the business as possible and whether Agile is dead or not.TLDR:02:30 Cookie confusion05:40 Cloud conversation with Steve Westgarth 29:00 Five key characteristics of high performing teams  35:00 A surprise birthday party!GuestSteve Westgarth: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevewestgarth/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

Sustainability and climate impact is widely understood as a critical problem, but what we can specifically do at an individual level in a business environment is sometimes less clear.This week, Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to Rainer Karcher, Chief Sustainability Officer, Allianz Technology about how CSR and the Climate challenge come together, the 3 pillars of of societal responsibility, how digitalisation fits in, how to be a climate activist at work and whether we all should be one.TLDR03:05 Smart City and robot confusion 06:00 Cloud conversation with Rainer Karcher36:00 New steps into the future!  GuestRainer Karcher: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rainerkarcher/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

Live from the heart of Google Next'24 in Las Vegas, right from the Expo floor, we're bringing you a special limited series of episodes. Join us as we make connections between Google, AI, industry adoption, cloud transformation and customer experience. Plus, we'll keep you updated on all the latest news and juicy gossip.  On day three of the conference Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to Kevin Shatzkamer, Managing Director Conversational AI about Accelerating Customer Experience meets AIMiku Jha, Director, AI/ML Partner Engineering, about Software engineering for generative meets AI.TLDR:00:55 Announcements from the Expo floor at Google Next'2406:45 Accelerating Customer Experience meets AI with Kevin Shatzkamer35:00 Software engineering for generative meets AI with Miku Jha01:05:40 The gang round the week offGuests:Kevin Shatzkamer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kshatzka/Miku Jha: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikujha/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

Live from the heart of Google Next'24 in Las Vegas, right from the Expo floor, we're bringing you a special limited series of episodes. Join us as we make connections between Google, AI, industry adoption, cloud transformation and customer experience. Plus, we'll keep you updated on all the latest news and juicy gossip.  On day two of the conference Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to: Nigel Walsh, Head of Global Insurance about Insurance meets AI. Paula Natoli, Director, Global Strategic Industries, Supply Chain and Logistics about Supply Chain meets AI Fabien Duboeuf, Industry Manager, Manufacturing about How AI is revolutionizing Production Operations and Customer ExperienceTLDR00:40 Announcements from the Expo floor at Google Next'2412:11 Insurance meets AI with Nigel Walsh32:55 Supply Chain and Logistics meets AI with Paula Natoli52:42 Cloud transform & customer experience meets AI with Fabien Duboeuf1:15:24 End GuestNigel Walsh: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nigelwalsh/Paula Natoli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paula-natoli-952309/Fabien Duboeuf: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fabien-duboeuf-1605504/ HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

Live from the heart of Google Next'24 in Las Vegas, right from the Expo floor, we're bringing you a special limited series of episodes. Join us as we make connections between Google, AI, industry adoption, cloud transformation and customer experience. Plus, we'll keep you updated on all the latest news and juicy gossip.  On day one of the conference Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to Erwan Menard, Director Product Management and Customer Activation, Cloud AI about Innovation meets AI Justin Keeble, Managing Director for Global Sustainability about Sustainability meets AITLDR:00:40 Announcements from the Expo floor at Google Next'2408:38 Innovation meets AI with Erwan Menard 30:02 Sustainability meets AI with Justin KeebleGuests:Erwan Menard: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erwanmenard/Justin Keeble: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinkeeble/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

As a first part of a new occasional series, we look directly at the digitalisation journeys and challenges of the worlds leading companies with their leaders.  We start with Fresenius, a European multinational health care company based in Bad Homburg, Germany. It provides products and services for dialysis in hospitals, as well as inpatient and outpatient medical care.This week, Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to Ingo Elfering, Group CIO of Fresenius and German CIO Magazine's CIO of the Year 2023, about their complex, multi-threaded transformation approach. They discuss what this approach now enables for Fresenius, how the cloud is at the heart of enabling the change, the next steps now that a significant new platform has been established, and how the right tone was set at the Board level to enable the transformation.TLDR:01:33 Kern-Vergence! 06:00 Cloud conversation with Ingo Elfering49:47 What next after the transformation and planning this years vacation!  GuestIngo Elfering: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ingoelfering/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

GreenOps presents a significant challenge in enterprise's approach to emissions data, sustainability, and cloud operations. Balancing tech innovation with eco-responsibility requires strategic alignment and continuous effort, but the rewards are worth it! This week Dave, Sjoukje and Rob talk to Mark Butcher, Founder & CEO of Posetiv, about GreenOps, how it aligns with the reality of our software, SaaS, and cloud usage, why emissions data will go up before it goes down, and if cost is truly a reliable proxy for sustainability. TLDR:01:00 Rob is confused about is his carbon footprint06:15 Cloud conversation with Mark Butcher19:10 Amazing survey outcomes and impact on Talent43:25 Federation across Green Ops  GuestMark Butcher https://www.linkedin.com/in/markbutcher/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

Telzio are a great example of Cloud driven innovation, providing a software driven telecoms platform to businesses of all sizes on the Cloud.  But even more fascinating is the story of how Telzio came to exist at all...This week Dave and Sjoukje talk to Peter Schroeder, Founder and CEO, Telzio about why and how a successful DJ started a Cloud driven Telecoms company, how you kickstart without external funding or advertising, the Telecom industry competition and challenges, oh, and how you survive a plane crash!TLDR:01:36 Cosmic Rays 05:42 Cloud conversation with Peter Schroeder31:20 AI in the music industry 38:46 Spend time with my kids doing whatever they want to do! GuestPeter Schroeder: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterrankschroeder/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

A 'Digital Certificate' proves the authenticity of a device, server, or user as they communicate with each other - they quietly enforce safety and security in our digital world.  However, like in most industries, there is disruption on the horizon in the world of digital certs, and that affects all of us.This week Dave, Sjoukje & Rob talk to Nick France, CTO of SSL, Sectigo about what certificates do to keep us safe, the impact if a certificate is compromised, what the coming changes are, how they impact organisations and what they should do about it.  We also talk about the big Cyber trends for 2024.TLDR:01:40 Apple and the EU07:00 Cloud conversation with Nick France 32:30 More Cyber Trends 2024 38:11 Industry change and Bricktastic! GuestNick France:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-f-263b355/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

To celebrate International Womens Day we are delighted to welcome Women in Data back to the show.  They provide a platform that allows professionals at all levels to share their knowledge and experience, while working alongside businesses to help them embrace and develop the enormous advantages generated by diversity.This week Dave and Sjoukje talk to Roisin McCarthy, Founder at Women in Data and Elisa Sai, VP Analytics & AI at Capgemini Invent about Women in Data's 'Twenty in Data & Tech' series, this weeks flagship event at Londons o2, get an exclusive announcement on next years 'Twenty in Data & Tech' series and a call to action!  We also talk to Elisa about what it is like to be involved in the movement.TLDR:00:56 Intros 02:17 Cloud conversation with Roisin McCarthy and Elisa Sai28:10 International Womens Day35:00 Rest of the year with WiD & a birthday! GuestRoisin McCarthy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/roisinmccarthy/Elisa Sai: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elisa-sai-40907623/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

We are live from #MWC24 (Mobile World Conference 2024), direct from the Expo floor, with a limited series of episodes talking to leaders from across the industry on themes of the conference, as well as filling in on all of the news and gossip.Dave, Sjoukje and Rob talk about 'Humanising AI' with- Fawad Qureshi  Field CTO at Snowflake - Phil Kippen, Global Head Of Industry - Telecommunications at SnowflakeThe gang then round out the weeks shows by exploring the sixth and final theme, 'Manufacturing DX' and share their reflections on the show, and their disappointments in certain demos...GuestFawad Qureshi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/qureshi/Phil Kippen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkippen/ HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

We are live from #MWC24 (Mobile World Conference 2024), direct from the Expo floor, with a limited series of episodes talking to leaders from across the industry on themes of the conference, as well as filling in on all of the news and gossip.Dave, Sjoukje and Rob talk to Zarn Kucel, Global Head of AWS Hybrid Edge, Telco & CSP and Chris McKenna is the Worldwide Head of Business Development for Private Networks at AWS about the theme of '5G and beyond', Hybrid Edge and Mobile Private Networks, discover the potential of NaaS (Network as a Service) and how the Cloud and Communications are converging to provide an unltra-powerful innovation platform. GuestsZarn Kucel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zarnkucel/Chris McKenna: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-mckenna-082b4647/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

We are live from #MWC24 (Mobile World Congress 2024), direct from the Expo floor, with a limited series of episodes talking to leaders from across the industry on themes of the conference, as well as filling in on all of the news and gossip.Dave, Sjoukje and Rob explore the conference theme of 'Game Changers' by talking to three technology providers who are creating new solutions to solve some of our biggest challenges:Paul Armstrong, Global Sales Director, Digital Services, Schneider Electric about Smart Buildings and their critical role in helping businesses operating more sustainably and how having an 'Energy Command Centre' can helpGreg Pelton, CTO, Iridium and Richard Deakin, CEO, Stratospheric Platforms Ltd about the potential of non-terrestrial networks in both the stratosphere and low earth orbit to bring communications to previously hard to reach locations and space networks direct to consumer devices. They also talk about the difficulties in working in space!GuestsPaul Armstrong: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-armstrong-67871127/Greg Pelton: https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-pelton-631789/Richard Deakin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rdeakin/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

We are live from #MWC24 (Mobile World Congress 2024), direct from the Expo floor, with a limited series of episodes talking to leaders from across the industry on themes of the conference, as well as filling in on all of the news and gossip.Dave, Sjoukje and Rob talk to Mohamed Awad, SVP/GM, Infrastructure Business at Arm about the 'Our Digital DNA' conference theme, the evolution of processing power and the challenges of ever increasing demand whilst managing the impact on the environment.  They also chat about the exciting consumer devices that have been announced at the show, including a flying taxi!GuestMohamed Awad, Arm: https://www.linkedin.com/in/moawad/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

We are live from #MWC24 (Mobile World Congress 2024), direct from the Expo floor, with a limited series of episodes talking to leaders from across the industry on themes of the conference, as well as filling in on all of the news and gossip.Dave, Sjoukje and Rob set out the themes of the Conference, then focus in on the theme of 'Connecting Everything' with... Muneyb Minhazuddin, VP/GM Network and Edge, Intel on Edge and 5G Anand Chandrasikher, Founder and CEO, Aira Networks on Intelligence in Open and Disaggregated RAN (Radio Access Network)GuestMuneyb Minhazuddin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muneyb/Anand Chandrasikher: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandchandrasekher/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

The FinOps Foundation defines FinOps as "an operational framework and cultural practice which maximizes the business value of cloud, enables timely data-driven decision making, and creates financial accountability through collaboration between engineering, finance, and business teams."  Sounds good! So why are many organisations still not doing it well?This week Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to Kunal Agarwal, CEO and Co-founder, Unravel Data on the requirement for finops, what is it and why do you need it, if the Finance Depts are getting involved, what good practices looking, how 'inform, govern, optimise' fit in and why you should measure everything!TLDR:01:03 Why do people still use weak passwords?06:20 Cloud conversation with Kunal Agarwal32:34 Top Cyber Trends 202437:20 Cars, cars, cars! GuestKunal Agarwal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kunalkunal/ HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

Private Equity organisations are in the fascinating position of having a view across many organisations, they help smaller organisations scale and have a strong grip on what works, and what doesn't, in scaling and optimising businesses.  This week Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to Bas Kamphuis, Founder and CEO, Wingspan, a company who seek to increase the value of software companies through cloud transformation, about what repeatable truths of cloud transformation can be learned from seeing the patterns working across multiple companies and what lessons we can be taken away.TLDR:01:00 The future of news 05:12 Cloud conversation with Bas Kamphuis38:18 The vital role of Cloud for Private Equity firms 44:24 Happy to be alive! GuestBas Kamphuis: https://www.linkedin.com/in/databas/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

The 'energy transition' refers to the global energy sector's shift from fossil-based systems of energy production and consumption — including oil, natural gas and coal — to renewable energy sources like wind and solar, as well as lithium-ion batteries.  It is one of, if not the most, significant issues of our time.  Tech can both help and hinder in this journey.This week Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to Rob Easton, Senior Sales Manager, AWS Energy EMEA, AWS on how energy is made, how its moved and how its used, how Amazon are ready themselves as an organisation, but also how they are providing tools and services to allow other organisations to impact the carbon footprint of their tech and maybe more widely. TLDR:01:10 JUMP! and will robots be looking after us when we are (more) elderly?06:00 Cloud conversation with Rob Easton36:20 AI and the energy transition41:50 Family ski holidays! GuestRob Easton: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-easton-94a983/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

Can tech democratisation and AI help solve the perennial problem of how we get access to our data and leverage it for new value without having to build it and hope that they come!This week Dave, Sjoukje, and Rob talk to Iain Niven-Bowling, CTO, Harbr about the data architecture crimes of the past that we still live with, data democratisation, better ways to access and connect to data sources and make data available via natural language interfaces. TLDR:01:04 Streaming confusion 06:00 Cloud conversation with Iain Niven-Bowling23:35 GenAI as the starting point for innovation 31:00 the Fan Dance! GuestIain Niven-Bowling: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iainnb/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

As a special treat in what we think is our 50th studio episode, we have an extended conversation with none other than Gene Kim, industry thought leader and author of The DevOps Handbook, the seminal Pheonix Project, the Unicorn Project, and now Wiring the winning organisation.  Gene is one of the true thought leaders in modern tech and its exciting to explore the themes of Cloud Realties with him!The gang talk about Genes early work, then deep dive into his new work, which reaches outside the realms of tech and talks about what it takes to become a modern organisation. TLDR:01:00 Easy to let facts get in the way of a good story04:30 Extended cloud conversation with Gene Kim 43:10 Playing with AI! GuestGene Kim: https://www.linkedin.com/in/realgenekim/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Sjoukje Zaal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sjoukjezaal/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel Van Der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-van-der-burg-99a655/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/