Ep. 23 EALS: The Future is Bright!    We are joined by the student leaders of the Emerging Arts Leaders Symposium (EALS), Morgan Fuller, Faith Smith, and Lisette DuFore. Katie jumped at the opportunity to chat with the future leaders in our industry to hear what is important to them as they enter the field. Our hosts share what they thought they would be doing when they were still in college, and share stories of the big actions they are taking in their organizations. American University (https://www.american.edu/) hosts the annual Emerging Arts Leaders Symposium (https://www.ealsatau.org/) which is student led. Morgan Fuller (Executive Director), Faith Smith (Director of Finance), and Lisette DuFore (Marketing and Communications Coordinator) are part of the 2022-2023 Leadership.  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 22 Dominic Moore-Dunson: Defining Success   On this episode, our hosts talk about safety leading into Danielle’s engaging conversation with Dominic Moore-Dunson. Dominic shares his creative process, including his perspective on how an audience perceives his projects after creation, and how becoming a parent changed the way he was making art. Dominic and Danielle also discuss the act of “trauma mining” in the arts and specifically funding of minority art works. As a note, Dominic mentions a story about a singer at Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” Speech, that singer was Mahalia Jackson. Dominic Moore-Dunson (https://www.dommooredun.com/) is a dancer, choreographer, podcaster, and all-around creative entrepreneur.  Dominic’s podcast inCOPnegro can be found here: https://www.incopnegro.com/ Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 21 Stephen Sunderlin: Theatre is an Apprenticeship On this episode, our hosts recall thing that drew them into booths at conferences, and Bryan sits down to talk business with Stephen Sunderlin. Stephen shares his story of moving to NYC and eventually becoming the Artistic Director at Vital Theatre Company. Stephen shares the benefits of connections, the details of producing new works, the importance of good marketing materials, and the value of being open to working every experience in theatre. Stephen Sunderlin is the Producing Artistic Director of Vital Theatre Company (https://www.vitaltheatre.org/) bringing to life productions like Pinkalicious The Musical, Fancy Nancy, and more! Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 20 Michael Mushalla: Be Curious. Don’t Be Afraid.   This week's episode is another special one! It highlights Michael Mushalla who introduced our hosts, and helped us all think differently about what comes next.    Michael Mushalla is the Owner and Founder of Double M Arts & Events, LLC (https://double-m-arts.com/), as well as a wine consultant. Michael Mushalla along with Christine Cox created “The Summit” that brought the hosts of “There’s No Business Like...” together.    Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod   *warning - there is some explicit language in this episode.

Ep. 19 Christine Cox: Keep Dreaming Big    This week's episode is a special one! It is the first of two that highlights the individuals that introduced our hosts. Our hosts talk about getting that phone call, and then Bryan, Danielle, and Kevin share their conversation with Christine Cox. Christine shares her journey from playing a Princess to owning her own agency and gives incredible insight on the risk vs. Reward of artist acquisitions and contract types. Christine Cox is the Owner and Founder of C Squared Entertainment (https://www.csquaredentertainment.com/) and the Executive Producer of the Off Broadway Family-Friendly magic show, The Amazing Max (http://theamazingmaxlive.com/). Christine Cox along with Michael Mushalla created “The Summit” that brought the hosts of “There’s No Business Like...” together.    Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 18 Christi Dortch: It’s About What We’re Building Our hosts talk about their favorite experience on stage. Katie chats with Christi Dortch about her career journey, when to listen to what your community is ready for and when to push them. Katie and Christi also discuss the relearning of in person communication coming out of the pandemic zoom meeting norm.  The interview covers 3 things that you can use to shape your strategic plan and Christi discusses the function of state consortiums. Christi Dortch is a consultant in the nonprofit sector focusing on long term strategy.  Christi is also the Executive Director of Tennessee Presenters.(https://www.tnpresenters.org) Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 17 Marian Liebowitz: What Puts Fire in Your Belly?   Our hosts talk about the instruments they played when they were younger, and the importance of arts education. Bryan takes an opportunity to chat with Marian Liebowitz about her teaching background and the importance of the business side of our industry, as well as her unique approach to curating artists. Marian Liebowitz is the owner of Marian Liebowitz Artist Management (https://www.marianliebowitz.com/) as well as a former performer and professor. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 16 Josh Holliday: Creative Instinct and Arts Marketing    Josh Holliday joins our host, Katie, to demystify Arts Marketing by giving real examples of how to create a marketing plan, how PR differs from marketing, and more. Our hosts talk about their favorite marketing campaigns, and revel in the masterclass that Josh Holliday presented in this short interview.  Josh Holliday has a career in Arts Marketing, founded Fresh Coast Perspective (https://www.freshcoastperspective.com/), and is currently the Director of Communications at the Tennessee Performing Arts Center (https://www.tpac.org/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

On this episode, Bryan sits down with Alaska’s Fiddling Poet, Ken Waldman. Bryan and Ken talk about Ken’s life on the road, his time as an educator, how he approaches his work including conferences, and even gives us a snippet of his work. Our hosts talk about trying to explain what it is they actually do, and explore the genuine approach that Ken takes to relationship building in the indusrty. Ken Waldman is a musician, author, poet, and founder of Nomadic Productions (https://kenwaldman.com/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 14 Larry Kosson: Give Each Other the Time  Our hosts reflect on their first mentors and the impact they had. Josh found some time at International Entertainment Buyers Association (IEBA -https://www.ieba.org/) Conference to sit down with Larry Kosson. Larry shares his origin story, and talks about his true passion, mentorship. Larry was awarded the 2019 Mentorship Award from the Western Arts Alliance (WAA - https://www.westarts.org/) . Larry Kosson is the Founder and President of Kosson Talent (https://kossontalent.com/)   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 13 Krista Bradley: Discomfort Breeds Growth We kick off this week with stories from past APAP (Association of Performing Arts Professionals) Conference before Katie dives into a conversation with Krista Bradley. Krista shares the journey that landed her at APAP, why cultural humility is important, and why you should listen to your impulses. Krista Bradley is the Director, Programs and Resources at APAP (https://apap365.org/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 12 Pat Hazell: Capturing Creativity: Seinfeld to Wonder Bread   Our hosts talk about tech riders, before an engaging conversation with this week's incredible guest, Pat Hazell. Pat shares his insights on storytelling, “renting seats,” contracts, and shares his journey and only begins touching on his career.  Pat Hazell is a writer, producer, director, podcaster, comedian, and more. He is the founder and Chief Creative Officer of Sweetwood Creative (http://sweetwoodiscreative.com/) and the host of the Creativity in Captivity Podcast (https://www.creativityincaptivity.fun/) Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 11 It’s a Holiday Party! Our hosts take a week off from interviewing to have a little holiday fun. Katie’s son, Leo, makes an appearance to spread some holiday cheer, we all play some games, and we share what we plan to work on in the new year. Want to give us a present this year? Thank you to all of you who gave us a listen in 2022 and helped get this podcast off the ground. Leave us a review! Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 10 Jennifer Morris & Laurel Canan: Becoming Tour Ready Jennifer Morris and Laurel Canan didn’t start out in the arts, like most they discovered their path along the way. Bryan and Josh sit down with them to talk about artist management, being tour ready, and what led them to the industry they love. Our host chime in with their translatable skills from their jobs before the arts, and on the importance of good marketing materials. Jennifer Morris and Laurel Canan are with Seigel Artist Management (https://www.siegelartist.com/) and are both active in the field through various roles with NAPAMA, MAX, Arts Midwest, and more. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 9 Xavier Verna: Discovering Shared Values This week our hosts talk about their love of historic venues and Katie sits down with Xavier Verna. Xavier and Katie talk about managing historic theatres, working in small communities, how to make purposeful partnerships, and the important role that EDI plays in managing an arts organization.   Xavier Verna is the Executive Director of the Ramsdell Regional Center for the Arts (https://ramsdelltheatre.org/) in Manistee, Michigan.  Links to resources mentioned: https://apap365.org/ https://www.sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/ https://www.americansforthearts.org/ Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 8 David Wannen: Just Show Up    Our hosts talk about getting over nerves, imposter syndrome, and the importance of being tightly routed. Our guest, David Wannen, shares how he got over his nerves, how his organization builds a route, and some practical approaches to conferences, including the importance of “the hang”.   David Wannen is the Executive Director and a performer with the New York Gilbert & Sullivan Players (https://nygasp.org/). David is also a past president of NAPAMA and an avid arts advocate.  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 7 Sarah McCarthy: Trust Your Intuition  On this episode, Katie sits down with Sarah McCarthy to talk about theatre for young audiences, new projects, and juggling life with a full workload. Our hosts reminisce about their questionable music choices as young children and acknowledge that you can love your job and still need time for yourself. Sarah McCarthy is the Agency Owner and Creative Producer at Dandelion Artists (https://www.dandelionartists.com/) representing the best in family music with artists like The Okee Dokee Brothers, Jazzy Ash, Justin Roberts, and more.   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 5 Max Darwin: Magic and Mental Health   We talk about our origin stories on this episode, and Katie has a heartfelt conversation with our friend, Max Darwin, about creating a magic show, hard work, empathy, and mental health. Max Darwin is an actor, public speaker, and magician who might be best known by his stage persona, The Amazing Max (http://theamazingmaxlive.com/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 4 Tommy Hensel: Be Kind to Yourself     Everyone is busy! We learn a little more about what our hosts do outside of their day jobs. Check out #marionmurals on Instagram and visit https://www.pocahontasproject.org/. Kevin chats with Tommy Hensel about a new booking conference, Midwest Arts Xpo (MAX), challenges facing the industry, selfcare and more. Tommy Hensel is the Senior Director of Performing Arts at Elgin Community College (https://eccartscenter.org/) and Board President of Heartland Performing Arts the group behind the upcoming MAX (https://midwestartsxpo.org/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

Ep. 3 Lisa B. Lewis: Bridging the Gap in Accessibility   Our hosts learn all about the circus on today’s episode when Bryan talks with Lisa B. Lewis. Lisa is a longtime circus performer and advocate for accessibility in the arts. While the episode focuses on accessibility in the circus arts, Lisa gives examples and tactics that can be used in all forms of performing and touring arts. Lisa B. Lewis is the Founder and Executive Director of Omnium Circus (https://omniumcircus.org/), and Agent at Harmony Artists (https://www.harmonyartists.com/).  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod