Support the Show • Support on Patreon — Santiago interviews Erika Miller, an ex-SDA teacher, mom, and survivor of abuse. As a young child, Erika was abused by a deacon's son at her home church. She shares her amazing story of resilience, attending Newbold College in the UK, and eventually leaving the Adventist church.Resources Mentioned: Erika's email: swimlass [at] gmail.com Therapists and Mental Health Resources Unbelievable - Netflix Show The Netflix show linked above is not about Erika's story, but it's linked here as we briefly discussed Erika’s desire to go into law (timecode 44:32). She was discouraged by her parents, who said the legal profession isn't suitable for a Christian woman. I mentioned the show because it’s based on a true story of a serial r*pist who got away with his crimes in part by committing them in different cities or counties, and the police departments didn’t share any information with each other.The show centers on a woman who was the most recent victim and spoke to the police, but the two male detectives who questioned her didn’t believe her and ultimately gaslit her into recanting her testimony. It wasn’t until a female detective began noticing a pattern and believed the victim that they finally were able to put the pieces together and catch the r*pist.The show is relevant because it illustrates how discouraging women from entering certain professions has put us at a disadvantage, and why listening to victims is incredibly important.Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/S2E1— Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy — Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook — Credits: Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Support the Show • Support on Patreon — Santiago interviews Morgan Clae, an ex-Adventist director, producer, and singer-songwriter based in Los Angeles. We discuss purity culture, her time at Walla Walla University, being a student missionary, deconstruction, and becoming agnostic. We also explore the meaning behind the lyrics of Wilder Things, Morgan's song on deconstruction and coming out.Morgan's Links: Morgan Clae Linktree YouTube Spotify TikTokMorgan's Music Mentioned: Stay (Music Video) Wilder Things 26Resources & Topics Mentioned: Born Again Again Podcast exAdventist Subreddit The Greatest Showman Jesus and John Wayne Conservatives are upset their kids don’t want to spend Christmas with themFull Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes— Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy — Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook — Credits: Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Support the Dunk Family • Support the Show — Part 1 of 2: Santiago interviews Will James, an ex-Adventist husband, dad, lawyer, and TikToker based in the U.S. state of Oklahoma. We discuss his parents' conversion to Adventism (along with 30 of their friends?!) when he was two years old. Will grew up with a very literal interpretation of the Bible and Ellen White's writings, and eventually deconstructed everything. — Topics Mentioned: Will's TikTok (@will.i.jam)Oh No, Ross and Carrie - Amazing Facts Series David Steward Amazing Facts Profile Will's Blog - Broken Plates and Baptisms Inception (Movie)Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes — Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy — Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook — Credits: Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Support the Dunk Family • Support the Show — Part 2 of 2: Santiago interviews Will James, an ex-Adventist husband, dad, lawyer, and TikToker based in the U.S. state of Oklahoma. We discuss writing wills for SDA church members, Will's deconstruction from Adventism, telling his parents, and navigating his own parental responsibilities after deconstructing at just the right moment.Topics Mentioned: Will's Law Practice Website Will's TikTok (@will.i.jam) Ada Lois Sipuel Fisher Iyanla Vanzant "The past is present" Rachel Held Evans (Author) Peter Ennes (Author) Non-binary Gender Singular They Left-handednessOther Episodes Mentioned: Melissa Duge Spiers Interview (S1E10 - Part 1) Melissa Duge Spiers Interview (S1E11 - Part 2) Matthew Vollmer Interview (S1E16 - Part 1) Matthew Vollmer Interview (S1E17 - Part 2) Race, Slavery, and Racism in Christianity and Adventism (S1E19) The Amalgamation of Man and Beast!? (S1E20)Adventist Estate Stories: Bahamian Family Alleges $30 Million Fraud Involving 3ABN SDA Church Stealing Estates Grandma’s money went to 3ABNFull Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes — Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy — Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook — Credits: Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Support the Dunk Family • Support the Show — Santiago and Saoirse discuss their very different childhood experiences with Halloween and read some stories from the ex-Adventist subreddit. Abby, Ami, and friends talk around a bonfire (bone fire?) about their experiences with Halloween. That last part of the episode is a little loud, but there's some fun stuff if you're patient.Topics Mentioned: Scared Straight | Hell House - How Gay Thou Art Podcast The Addams Family - Wikipedia Wednesday (Netflix Show) The Addams Family (1991 Film) Addams Family Values (1993 Film) Beetlejuice (1988 Film) Killer Klowns From Outer Space (1988 Film)Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes — Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy — Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook — Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Support the Dunk Family • Support the Show — Santiago interviews Charlotte Hayes (Charli), a Gen-Z ex-Adventist. She was adopted from Russia and brought to the U.S. as a baby by an Adventist couple. Growing up, Charli experienced emotional, physical, and sexual abuse at home. The police and Child Protective Services investigated, but nothing happened, so she ran away from home at 18. She now has over 500k people on TikTok who have been following her life story.Charli's Links: TikTok @charli.hayes Instagram @charlihayes_ YouTube @charlihayes_Resources / Topics Mentioned: VeggieTales - Jericho Slushies Battle (Genocide) of Jericho - Wikipedia IBLP - Wikipeda Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets Alisa Williams' Thread on SDAs & Shiny Happy PeopleKatie Morton - Licensed Therapist, YouTuber Religious Trauma-informed Therapists & Other ResourcesSupport for Victims of Abuse: RAINN - National Sexual Assault Hotline Childhelp - National Child Abuse Hotline The Hotline - National Domestic Violence HotlineKati Morton Videos: Abuse Topic Playlist Sexual Abuse: How do we recover & how long does it take? What is Consent, Assault & Harassment? What's considered sexual abuse? Struggling with childhood sexual abuse? Healing from Sexual Abuse & IncestFull Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes — Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy — Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook — Credits: Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Support the Dunk Family • Support the Show— Part 2 of Santiago's interview with Charlotte Hayes (Charli), a Gen-Z ex-Adventist. She was adopted from Russia and brought to the U.S. as a baby by an Adventist couple. Growing up, Charli experienced horrific things at home. The police and Child Protective Services investigated, but nothing happened, so she ran away from home at 18. She now has over 500k people on TikTok who have been following her life story.Charli's Links: TikTok @charli.hayes Instagram @charlihayes_ YouTube @charlihayes_Resources / Topics Mentioned:  Little Duck Diner - Savannah, GA Hostel in the Forest - Brunswick, GA Hostelworld - Find hostels around the worldSupport for Victims of Abuse: RAINN - National Sexual Assault Hotline Childhelp - National Child Abuse Hotline The Hotline - National Domestic Violence HotlineFull Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes — Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy — Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook — Credits: Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Support the Dunk Family • Support the Show — 3rd and final part of Santiago's interview with Charlotte Hayes (Charli), a Gen-Z ex-Adventist. After escaping her abusive home, Charli discovered she didn't have proof of her U.S. citizenship, so she had to get a green card and worried about possibly being deported. We also discussed her journey of healing and leaving the faith she grew up in.Charli's Links: TikTok @charli.hayes Instagram @charlihayes_ YouTube @charlihayes_Resources / Topics Mentioned: Maskrosbarn ("Dandelion Child") Mental Health and Therapist ResourcesSupport for Victims of Abuse: RAINN - National Sexual Assault Hotline Childhelp - National Child Abuse Hotline The Hotline - National Domestic Violence HotlineFull Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes — Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy — Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook — Credits: Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Support the Dunk Family • Support the Show — Santiago interviews Andres Pichinte (They/Them), a Gen Z ex-Adventist who went from fundamentalist Adventism and going door to door for Youth Rush (for two summers), to exploring esotericism and now Orthodox Christianity. We talk about growing up Adventist, being surrounded by conspiracy theories, and moments that made them question their Adventist faith.Resources / Topics Mentioned: Andres' Website & Bio The Hairbrush Song - Silly Songs with Larry His Cheeseburger - Love Songs with Mr. Lunt Youth Rush Article - Spectrum MagazineFull Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes — Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy — Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook — Credits: Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Support the Show • Part 2 of Santiago's interview with Andres Pichinte (They/Them), a Gen Z ex-Adventist who went from fundamentalist Adventism and going door to door for two summers with Youth Rush, to exploring esotericism and now Orthodox Christianity. We discussed the sales tactics used by Youth Rush, the books they sold and beliefs they encountered, misadventures in door-to-door evangelism, and more. Resources / Topics Mentioned:Andres' Website & Bio Youth Rush Article - Spectrum Magazine00:00 - Haystacks & Hell Intro00:34 - Youth Rush Canvassing Sales Tactics06:49 - Books and Beliefs20:58 - Misadventures in Door-to-Door Evangelism25:39 - From Fast Food to Film School32:04 - Embracing Diversity and Finding Acceptance37:28 - Exploring Orthodoxy46:06 - Closing Thoughts48:12 - Haystacks & Hell OutroFull Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes — Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy —Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook—Credits: Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Support the Show • Santiago shares some personal news, updates on the future of the show, and listener stories.Resources / Topics Mentioned:Slate: Why Do We Give Our Pets Death With Dignity but Not Ourselves? S1:E2 - Do You Believe in an Afterlife?More Listener Stories Podcast Resources Book ResourcesFull Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes — Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy — Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook — Credits: Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Were you ever part of the Seventh-day Adventist Church or exposed to fundamentalist Christianity in general? If so, have we got a show for you (queue the Veggie Tales theme song)!Haystacks & Hell is an ex-Adventist podcast where we tell stories about growing up Seventh-day Adventist, leaving faith behind, and building new, fulfilling lives.We'll also unpack topics like:The end of the worldSex, dating, and purity cultureWild quotes from SDA "prophet" Ellen WhiteHave a story to share? Write to us or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy—Buy us a coffee • Support us on Patreon—Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook—Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes—Santiago introduces himself and the podcast. Abby and Ami discuss their plans for the podcast, their backgrounds, why they left the church, and ask their friends the question: When did you know that god wasn't real?Links & stats mentioned in this episode:What are haystacks?What is the National Sunday Law?Christian poll results re: War and TortureGuess who else deconstructed: Martin LutherHave a story to share? Write to us or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy—Buy us a coffee • Support us on Patreon—Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook—Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes—Santiago, Ami, and Abby talk about death, heaven, hell, and Adventist eschatology. Abby and Ami ask their friends the vital question: Were you taught that animals go to heaven?Links mentioned in this episode:The Greek myth of SisyphusBig Gods Hypothesis Article, PaperThe Good PlaceDeath with DignityThe evolution of moral empathic evaluationHave a story to share? Write to us or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy—Buy us a coffee • Support us on Patreon—Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook—Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes—We discuss Adventist culture, diet, and the Sabbath, looking at the good and bad aspects of these things. Abby and Ami are joined by Alex, and they ask their friends "What's your favorite veggie meat?"—Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy—Buy us a coffee • Support us on Patreon—Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook—Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes—Santiago reads stories shared by listeners of the podcast: A woman who left the conservative fringes of Adventism, a trans woman from Puerto Rico, and someone who was raised in the SDA Reform Church.You can read these stories and more at hell.bio/stories.—Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy—Buy us a coffee • Support us on Patreon—Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook—Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes—We discuss John Harvey Kellogg, early Seventh-day Adventist attitudes towards sex, more modern attitudes, and our own experiences with sex education growing up in the church. Ami asks her friends: When did you learn what sex was?Links mentioned in this episode:Inclusive sex education resourcesErica Smith, M.Ed. - Sex EducatorThe Dark History of Graham CrackersPlain Facts for Old and Young by J.H. Kellogg—Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy—Buy us a coffee • Support us on Patreon—Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook—Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes—Oh look, another sex episode! Santiago shares his experiences and some resources. Ami, Abby, and Alex discuss sex ed in the Adventist church and touch on dorm life, contraceptives, and the experience of growing up during the AIDS crisis. They ask their friends: What, if any, sex ed did you receive?Links mentioned in this episode:Film: Yes, God, YesInclusive sex education resourcesErica Smith, M.Ed. - Sex EducatorOld Video of Christian Sex EducationBook: No More Mr. Nice GuyVideo: No More Mr. Nice Guy OverviewVideo: Signs you're dating a "Nice Guy"Book: #Church TooBook: Beyond Shame—Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy—Buy us a coffee • Support us on Patreon—Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook—Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes—Santiago interviews his Gen Z brother Miguel about growing up Gen Z and Seventh-day Adventist. We laugh about sex ed, bananas, and fleeing their home in the middle of the night.Links mentioned in this episode:Ray Comfort on the banana—Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy—Buy us a coffee • Support us on Patreon—Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook—Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes—Santiago reads the letter he wrote to his parents about leaving the church and faith behind. Ami, Abby, and Alex talk about dealing with family who are still in the church. They talk about issues with the previous generation, as well as issues with raising kids and the next generation.Resources mentioned in this episode:Coming Out Atheist: How to Do It, How to Help Each Other, and Why - by Greta ChristinaTemplate Letter to Seventh-day Adventist Parents—Have a story to share? Write to us, send a DM or voice message on Instagram, or leave a voicemail at (301) 750-8648‬. We take your privacy seriously: Privacy Policy—Buy us a coffee • Support us on Patreon—Twitter • TikTok • Instagram • YouTube • Facebook—Credits: Abby and Ami, creators of the Seventh-day Atheist Podcast • Music: Hall of the Mountain King Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) • Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License