Tawny and Lisa talk to Steve Rose, an addiction counselor specializing in gambling addiction, with a Ph.D in sociology. Tune in for a fascinating conversation about how gambling addiction is on the rise. This trend is closely linked to broader addictive behaviors such as smartphone and social media usage, which draw on many of the same psychological mechanisms. They talk about what gambling addiction is, how to spot it in yourself or someone else, what recovery looks like, and more. Music Minute features The Growlers hip hop and lofi hip hop. Find Steve on his website and his podcast, Pros & Concepts  Check out The Age of Addiction by David Courtwright Find support at Gamblers Anonymous,  Internet Addictions Anonymous, and  Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk to Camille St Martin, an author and recovery advocate who recently released Spilled, her book of poetry inspired by her recovery journey. Like so many of us, she felt alone in her drinking spiral and found relief and catharsis in writing. Poetry was a passion she had as a teen and sobriety brought her the chance to reconnect with it. Music Minute features Ani DiFranco. Purchase Spilled hereJoin Camille's newsletter for a chance to win a free signed copy hereFollow Camille on InstagramFollow Camille on Tik TokCheck out the Facebook Self-Publishing Support Group Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny talks about what’s going on with Dry Humping six months out and how she’s promoting her new drink, (parentheses). She’s also teaching a class on writing a nonfiction book proposal on May 22nd. They also talk about Lisa’s 20th SoBerthday and how indie non-alcoholic bottle shops are the heartbeat of the burgeoning non-alcoholic drink industry. Music Minute features Khruangbin and Beyonce.  Sign up for Nonfiction Book Proposal 101 with Tawny here!  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for Tawny’s newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Order Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk to Art Alexakis, frontman for Everclear, one of the defining bands of the 1990s, still going strong. Art has almost 35 years of recovery, living very much one day at a time. They talk about recovery and Art’s writing process, including the iconic song, “Father of Mine.” They also discuss what it takes to know when you’re done with drugs and alcohol, to ask for help, and to live in humility and gratitude.  Music Minute features Everclear and The Beatles Check out all things Everclear  Find Art on Instagram  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk about “glimmers,” mini-moments of calm and even joy. Glimmers are the opposite of triggers. They create a subtle, but meaningful mood shift. Think of how you feel when you pet a dog or hear a song you love. They also talk about “golden shadows,” which, similar to glimmers, are small bright spots that break through when doing difficult shadow work.  Music Minute features Bleachers, Ashlee Simpson, and Fleetwood Mac Read the Psychology Today article  Check out You're Wrong About  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk about creating a home that supports your recovery. This can look different for everyone. It can range from clearing out anything you might find triggering, to setting up a space that makes you feel calm and content, to changing up your routine on arriving home. Like everything in recovery, it’s a process that doesn’t happen overnight, but is created and adjusted over time.  Music Minute features Talking Heads, CSNY, Phillip Phillips, Madness, and Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros Read the Washington Post article  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk to Raam Roch Hai and Dr. Anthony Foster, Co-CEOs and Founders of AHA! Recovery, a new approach to treating substance use disorders. They discuss the effectiveness of therapists who are themselves in recovery working with others seeking recovery or supporting a loved one. AHA! Recovery blends three evidence-based therapeutics practices: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Mindfulness-Based Relapse Prevention and Shame Resilience Therapy.Music Minute features sober techno festivals and Gordon Lightfoot Check out AHA! Recovery  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for Tawny’s newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Order Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk with Alex Kosinski, a 20-something sober friend, who’s building a new life in his adopted city of San Diego. They talk sober dating, healthy habits, and being open to new experiences. Alex finds connection through pursuing passions like fitness, chess and studying Spanish, as well as leaning into the local recovery community.  Music Minute features Chance the Rapper Find Alex on Instagram  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk codependency, something many folks in recovery grapple with. Melody Beattie, author of Codependent No More, defines codependency as, “The concept of losing one’s self while taking care of another.” Anticipating other people’s needs all the time leads to anxiety, projection, and manipulation. The answer is to stop trying to control others, set firm boundaries, and figure out how to handle people who sap your energy and pull you into chaos. Music Minute features Gin Blossoms, Madonna and Stone Temple Pilots Check out Codependent No More  Reach out to Codependents Anonymous  Check out Al-Anon  Read about Energy Vampires and Chaotic Friends   Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar   Order Tawny’s book,DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk to Jolene Park, founder of Healthy Discoveries. Jolene is a functional nutritionist and a pioneer in the area of “gray area drinking,” the kind where there’s no rock bottom, but where one drinks to manage anxiety and later regrets how often or how much they drink. They talk about Jolene’s recent Substack piece on the online sober community and how it’s changed over time, including the problems with over commercialization and misrepresentations. Music Minute features Dolly Parton, Miley Cyrus and Bon Jovi Find all things Jolene: Gray Area Drinking website  Gray Area Drinking coach training for coaches Substack 30 day sober choice program Sober AF bundle Private coaching  Instagram Check out the Burnout Workbook Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for Tawny’s newsletter, "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Order Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa catch up on what’s been going on so far this year. They also share some of their latest picks for reading and watching. Tawny has finally had some time to decompress from all of the book tour craziness. Lisa has been diving into all kinds of distractions to try to keep things light in a challenging year. Music Minute features Taylor Swift and Beyonce Read Tawny’s article on post-partum publishing in Lit Hub Books: Yours For the Taking by Gabrielle Korn Margot's Got Money Troubles (pre-order) by Rufi Thorpe Acid Christmas   Jo Nesbo's Scandanavian noir books Hope by Andrew Ridker   Television/Movies: Read about Loudermilk  Capote vs. The Swans May December  Past Lives  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Subscribe to Tawny’s newsletter,  "Beyond Liquid Courage" Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk to Paulina Pinsky (she/they), a writer, writing coach, and figure skater living in Los Angeles. She writes the Substack newsletter "newly sober" and she is the co-author of the teen guide to consent IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AWKWARD. They talk about Paulina’s experience and recovery, including incorporating TCB (Trust, Compassion and Boundaries) as a way to help manage all the things we struggle with. Whether it’s alcohol, drugs, sex addiction, disordered eating, perfectionism, or anything else, practicing TCB can help.Music Minute features Bachman-Turner Overdrive, Elvis Presley and Elvis Costello.Subscribe to Paulina’s Substack, "newly sober".Find all things Paulina on her website.Follow Paulina on Instagram.Listen to us talking about cannabis in recovery here.  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Now that Dry January is in the rearview mirror, what comes next? Tawny and Lisa discuss how taking a break from booze gives us an opportunity to be intentional and consider what a dry or damp month can provide. Maybe it helped to identify triggers and stressors – including people – and how you might handle them without alcohol going forward. Maybe you picked up some new habits and friends you’d like to keep up with. Who and what made you feel good and provided support during this month? The biggest takeaway is to give yourself grace. Whether or not you hit your Dry January “goals,” you decided to go for a reset. That’s a big deal! Music Minute features The Beatles, Sheryl Crow and Natalie Merchant. Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk to Stefanie Wilder-Taylor, an author, TV personality, and cohost of the popular podcast For Crying Out Loud, about her new book, DRUNK-ISH: Loving and Leaving Alcohol. She is the co-host of the podcasts, For Crying Out Loud, Rose Pricks, and Bored A.F. She co-created and hosted the late-night comedy parenting show Parental Discretion with Stefanie Wilder-Taylor for NickMom on Nickelodeon. She’s the author of Sippy Cups Are Not for Chardonnay; Naptime Is the New Happy Hour, among others.  Music Minute features yacht rock classics like Michael McDonald and Styyx.  Order DRUNK-ISH here. Find all things Stefanie here. Follow Stefanie on Instagram.  Order Tawny’s book,DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Tawny’s newsletter "Beyond Liquid Courage" Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa announce their new card deck out next fall! The Sobriety Deck is for anyone making the choice not to drink today, whether sober or sober-curious. It will provide support, guidance and inspiration in an easy-to-use format that can be drawn on anytime you need a little boost or help. While the deck is a real light, they also discuss the realistic side of recovery: when there’s good news, there’s often bad news, too. Lisa and Tawny discuss Matthew Perry’s heartbreaking death. Check out these card decks: Hack Your Nervous System, Music Oracles, The Numinous Astro Deck, and Meditations and Affirmations    Music Minute features The Rembrandts. Try Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny discovered a name for the Venn diagram of burnout, imposter syndrome, and work addiction than many of us struggle with: Productivity Dysmorphia. Focused on output and feeling like we’re never doing enough, productivity dysmorphia keeps us from understanding how much we truly do and have already done. To fight it, we can recognize it as a feeling (not a fact) and ask ourselves if we really need to do the next thing we’re adding to our plate.  Music Minute by The Band. Read about productivity dysmorphia. Check out these books: The Success Myth, Rest is Resistance, Body Neutral, and The Burnout Workbook  Try Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)  Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk about what’s ahead in 2024. It’s a Strength card year in the Tarot – showing up and standing with a lion. And we know it’s going to be a challenging year in U.S. with so much at stake in our election. How do we take care of ourselves? One day at a time, for sure. And also asking, how can I “go first” in my life, while still showing up for everything and everyone we need to.  Music Minute features Bruce Springsteen and Creedence Clearwater Revival. Read The Twilight of Democracy.  Check out the New York City Tarot.  Try Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk to Dr. Brooke Scheller, the creator of Functional Sobriety and New York City’s top nutritionist specializing in alcohol use. Her new book, How to Eat to Change How You Drink, is a guide to leverage food and nutrition to reduce or eliminate alcohol consumption, develop mindfulness, and promote a healthier relationship with alcohol.Music Minute features Jewel Find all things Dr. Brooke Scheller here. Order How to Eat to Change How You Drink. Follow Brooke on Instagram.  Try Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses) Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa talk with Carrie Finch, Deputy Director of PAWS NY, an organization which provides pet care support to older adults and individuals living with illness, substance abuse, or disability in New York City, allowing these families to stay together and thrive. PAWS NY recently launched a new Substance Use Recovery Program, which provides foster and emergency care for pets as their guardians seek inpatient treatment for substance use.  Music Minute features Queen and Bob Marley.  Check out PAWS NY at pawsny.org. Find PAWS NY on Instagram.  This episode is sponsored by the sober entrepreneurs at Sour Humanoid vinegar. Add a splash of these artisanal vinegars to your dinner to brighten up the flavor of your protein and veggies. Order a bottle today at sourhumanoid.com and follow them at @sourhumanoid. Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar

Tawny and Lisa interview Jill Sirianni, co-host of the podcast Frugal Friends, which aims to change how we think about frugality. It does not mean being cheap. Frugal living intersects with minimalism, simple living and sustainability. Many of us have financial stress, often left over from when we abused substances. They talk about how practicing curiosity around finances can help identify priorities in developing a plan. Music Minute features Thrice. Check out Frugal Friends podcast website, which also offers a newsletter and free tools. Find Frugal Friends on Instagram.  This episode is sponsored by the sober entrepreneurs at Sour Humanoid vinegar. Add a splash of these artisanal vinegars to your dinner to brighten up the flavor of your protein and veggies. Order a bottle today at sourhumanoid.com and follow them at @sourhumanoid. Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage" Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar