Talking Credit Unions with Chris Smith

Chris Smith

These podcasts aim to communicate topics of interest from the world of credit unions targeted at managers, directors and other activists within the world of credit unions. I'm a long term supporter of credit unions and have served on the board of directors of several credit unions. This is a not for profit venture and my time is donated pro-bono. I am constantly on the look-out for stories and topics of interest to credit unions especially, but not exclusively, in the UK and Ireland. Contact me: smithowls@gmail.com A contribution to my costs has been made by Swoboda Research Centre and I rely on them for additional distribution and inspiration.

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Credit Unions are ethical...aren't they?
4d ago
Credit Unions are ethical...aren't they?
Can credit unions truly be the gold standard of ethical finance? Join our enlightening exchange with ethics-man Barry Clavin, as we scrutinize whether these institutions are walking the talk of their cooperative principles. We traverse the complex terrain of credit union ethics, addressing their genuine commitment to these values, and the potential benefits of adopting a unified ethical identity. Are there any lessons to be learnt from landmark policy of the Cooperative Bank. Barry sheds light on the strategic advantages such alignment could offer, setting credit unions apart in a financial industry often marred by scepticism.Step into the world of credit unions, where Louise  Shields, at Claddagh Credit Union, describes the emotional bonds woven with members and community-centric values. She paints a vivid contrast to traditional banking models.We explore the manifestation of Hey Credit Unions ethical values through the experienced lens of John Smith, and how it reflects a dedication to a wide array of stakeholders. Mick McAteer's insights on economic and social justice underscore the importance of authentically presenting ethical standards to attract a diverse member base.  Rob Harrison explains how the Ethical Consumer Association sees credit unions and emphasises the need to ensure the business is effective and efficient (to its customers or members) as well as considering an ethical dimension. Talking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
EDITION 31 - Are credit union members rate tarts?
Jul 24 2023
EDITION 31 - Are credit union members rate tarts?
Several responses to this question by credit union leaders:*Rate tart is a term used in banking to describe someone who transfers balances repeatedly, chasing the best possible interest rates on savings. David McAuley, CEO, Donore CU, Ireland " Are our members 'rate tarts'* and leave the credit union, if we pay insufficient dividend? Our members in the main are not big savers.  So, while there will be one or two members disgruntled with no dividend and they do tend to be in the “older” category and not borrowing. For the last few years due to the prevailing low interest (or zero rate interest situation), there has been no clamour for dividends.  Also, the CBI has “encouraged” CUs not to give dividends.  This year some CUs have distributed but they have needed to justify that decision".Karen Farrow, Chief Officer, Just CU, England "Historically, we have always paid a min 2% dividend and used to be very proud of this. We were also worried that if we didn't pay it that members would leave and take their shares with them. However about 3 years ago, we changed this and since then have paid nil/low or capped dividend - we have seen virtually no detriment to the share balance". John Smith, Governance Officer, HEYCU, England  "Are our members 'rate tarts'* and leave the credit union, if we pay insufficient dividend?  In our experience here at HEY Credit Union, that doesn't appear to be the case at all.  It would seem that very few of our members are saving with us because of the return, and more likely that other factors are the prime motivators, such as trust and safety (just want somewhere they trust to look after their money), ability to access funds without fuss, our customer care standards (they feel we look after them), habit, desire to support a local community enterprise, co-operative values, and perhaps lack of awareness of alternatives". Christine Moore, CEO, Manchester CU, England "No, I don’t think many of our members are ‘rate tarts’, in fact I think the contrary is true. Some people who joined specifically for the Gold Saver a few years ago did take their money out when it closed (less than half). A focus group of savers we spoke to in 2018 overwhelmingly agreed they were not interested in the rate but glad their money was being used for good and to help other people (very heart-warming to hear!)".Michael Byrne, CEO, Core Credit Union, Ireland  Are our members 'rate tarts' and leave the credit union, if we pay insufficient dividend? The vast majority of members are not. Reality is most members have modest savings which wouldn’t attract much interest no matter where they are held. A small number (but do hold proportionally more of the savings) would be rate sensitive and will be looking for a return. I would estimate that less than 5%of savings would be at risk of moving for better rates.Talking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
EDITION 29 Employee Salary Advance Schemes are here to stay?
Oct 17 2022
EDITION 29 Employee Salary Advance Schemes are here to stay?
This podcast captures the views of some financial services industry commentators on the merits and drawbacks of ESAS (Employee Salary Advance Schemes).Guests on this podcast are:Matt Bland, CEO Co-op Credit Union, UKEmily Trant, head of Impact & Inclusion, WagestreamLindsay Melvin, CEO FlexiwageErik Porter, Wellbeing expertHow a Employee Salary Advance Scheme works:Specialist scheme operators, which are usually unregulated businesses, often provide the product as part of a 'wellbeing package' to help employees with financial management. Some offer employees an app based platform which sits between the employer’s payroll operations and the employee’s bank account. The employee can then a draw down usually up to half of their accrued or earned wages before their next pay day. The scheme operators usually charge the employee a fee for each drawdown. The employer will then pay the balance of the salary (i.e. net of the advanced payments and the fees for the service) on the next payday. Employees can make multiple drawdowns during each pay cycle and can repeat this again in subsequent periods.For many employees who do not have major debt problems, an ESAS (Employee Salary Advance Scheme) may be helpful where for a variety of reasons they need to quickly access some of their salary early. However, for employees with limited options, there are potential risks. Set out below are ways in which employers and scheme operators could mitigate some of these risks.   Scheme operators could highlight, on the employee section of their websites or where they provide an app, that where the employee has underlying financial problems that a salary advance may not in itself be sufficient to resolve such issues and suggest that they seek financial help from a debt advice charity.Employers, when introducing their staff to such schemes, could similarly highlight the limitations of a salary advance and suggest that if the employee needs debt help or access to more holistic financial advice, they could signpost them to the Money Advice Service website. They could also provide contact details of debt charities, such as Citizens Advice and Stepchange.Bringing the above to the attention of employees may be particularly important where the employer and scheme operator become aware that individual employees are drawing down salary under the scheme on a frequent basis. Employees could be provided with periodic notifications where there is an accumulation of transaction charges.Similarly, scheme providers could develop systems that monitors the pattern of usage of individual employees. Where there is a pattern of repeat use which may be a sign of financial difficulties, then this could trigger alerts that might provide guidance and signpost the employee to organisations that provide free debt advice.The FSA says: The risks for employees and employers are:While the product has benefits, it is important that employees and employers are aware that there may be some risks in using these schemes.Lack of credit regulation. The regulatory and statutory rights and protections, from which borrowers under consumer credit agreements benefit, do not apply, as ESAS usually operate outside of credit regulation. For example, ESAS providers have no obligation to check affordability. Therefore, employees will need to satisfy themselves that they will have enough money on payday to pay other expenses they may incur at that time (for example their mortgage or rent payments), when they receive the balance of their salary. The high-cost short-term credit (HCSTC) pricTalking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
EDITION 26 - MEMBER GAMBLING AND VULNERABILITY
Oct 11 2021
EDITION 26 - MEMBER GAMBLING AND VULNERABILITY
This summer saw the publication 'Gambling, Vulnerability and FCA Compliance'  (How financial services firms can achieve the best outcomes for vulnerable customers who gamble), by Sharon Collard and Katie Cross at the Bristol University Personal Finance Research Centre. Credit unions are seeing increased levels of gambling activity on members accounts, especially since the pandemic. Many credit unions can conduct more forensic assessment of members accounts following the uptake in use of 'open banking'. This has contributed to a rising concern that gambling is causing harm to members and their families. Should the credit unions intervene, or should they mind their own business? Listen to the excellent points of view from industry leaders on this podcast.Sharon Collard states, at a conservative estimate, at least one in ten adults in Britain (and I guess similar numbers in Ireland too) experience harmful gambling, either because of their own gambling or someone else’s. Gambling-related vulnerability can present a unique set of challenges because of its complexity, the fact is that the member may not be fully in control of their decisions or actions, and the fact is that it may not always be clear what a credit union can do to ensure the fair treatment of customers in this situation. Do credit unions intervene, or not seems to be the conundrum? I think what we have heard, on this podcast, demonstrates that credit unions are well-placed to address the financial harms linked to gambling-related vulnerability. Some, credit unions are embarking on being quite interventionist and perhaps others less so. Perhaps credit unions can demonstrate their differences, from their competitors, by showing a more caring and concerned response to this growing problem in society. Or maybe our governments will curb the gambling companies and restrict the proliferation of their advertising; but I wouldn't bet on it. Listen to the contributors to this podcast:Sharon Collard, Bristol UniversityKaren Bennett CBE,  CEO Enterprise Credit Union, MerseysideSheenagh Young, CEO South Manchester Credit UnionAlex Hodson, Loans Officer, Metro Money Wise Credit Union, Rochdale Lorraine Moran, Loans Officer, St Anthony’s & Claddagh Credit Union, GalwayBarry Grant, Project Manager, Extern Problem Gambling Project, DublinGambling-vulnerability-FCA-compliance-report.pdf (bristol.ac.uk)http://www.bristol.ac.uk/media-library/sites/geography/pfrc/Gambling-vulnerability-FCA-compliance-report.pdfTalking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
EDITION 22 - Fintech Solutions? - NIVO
May 19 2021
EDITION 22 - Fintech Solutions? - NIVO
I’ve decided to have a closer look at the world of credit union ‘apps’ or Fintech, as some call it. Many of you are aware that a tsunami of helpful apps has arrived at the door of credit unions in the last few years and in many cases transformed how members interact or communicate with their credit union. Some credit unions have willingly adopted the apps available, and some are still considering. Perhaps there is still a little suspicion of earlier tech failures in the Irish & British credit union movements over the years that holds some credit unions back? I don’t know….but I’ve put together a few stories of some of the ‘apps’ in use, and some in development.In this edition I will be talking to Matt Bland, CEO of the Manchester based Co-op Credit Union, about its first year of taking on the member ‘app’ NIVO. Launched in late 2018 as an early-stage spin-out from Barclays Bank, Nivo is already working with large banks, lending brokers, lenders, professional services companies and credit unions who use the platform to significantly improve member sign-ups and service efficiency.NHS Credit Union state that the NIVO app doubled their member ‘onboarding’ and enabled loan applications to soar to 87% of loans being processed within one day. An impressive list of users have taken up the app.Listen to the founder, and CEO of NIVO, Michael Common . Talking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
Credit Union Development Educator Events; are they magic? EDITION 21
Mar 19 2021
Credit Union Development Educator Events; are they magic? EDITION 21
I've always been amazed at the passion and support for this unique form of credit union education that has seen  over 4,500 credit union employees, volunteers, directors and supporters attending over the years. The EU version has been running several years, with events usually based in the UK. The US version, of the DE event, has been around for almost 40 years. The main purpose of the DE programmes is to "..... is to help established and emerging leaders within the credit union movement understand and leverage credit unions’ unique business model to serve members and communities in new and better ways".Listen to Lois Kitsch, the former National Programme Director for the National Credit Union Foundation (USA) responsible for the Development Education Programme, explain the impact of this type of immersive education.Listen to  Marlene Shiels, CEO Capital Credit Union (Scotland), explain the power of the events so far and the successes with many individuals.Andy Davey, Operations Manager, Co-op Credit Union(UK), describes his DE journey, as a graduate, with both the EU and USA DE programmes.For information about the EU DE events contact Carole Philbin:  Carol.Phibin@partnerscreditunion.co.uk and for the USA events contact Maggie Wolff, Development Education Managermwolff@ncuf.coopWebsite:  The Development Education (DE) Program (ncuf.coop)Talking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
Sir Douglas Flint on Just Finance Foundation and credit union board rooms - EDITION 20
Mar 12 2021
Sir Douglas Flint on Just Finance Foundation and credit union board rooms - EDITION 20
This is an interviewed with Sir Douglas Flint who is chair of Standard Life Aberdeen, IP Group, the Corporate board of Cancer Research UK and is a trustee of the Royal Marsden Cancer Charity. He was previously Group Chairman of HSBC Holdings and he has held other roles, notably as a non-executive director of BP.Clearly, Sir Douglas has many years of experience of board rooms of successful businesses and his Chairmanship of the Just Finance Foundation has placed him in close proximity to credit unions. So, along with his insights into successful board rooms,  I was firstly interested in asking him about his Chairmanship of the Just Finance Foundation.Then I asked him what changes would you make to boardrooms to make them more effective?"Boards need to spend more time on what’s important rather that what’s urgent".  He added, There are 5 key questions that we need to think about:Where do we think our industry is going to be in 5 or 10-years’ time?What do we need to do to put ourselves in a position for that change?What resources do we need, human, financial, and technology?What do we think our competitors are doing to position themselves?What do we think people who aren’t our competitors today but do have the capability to be our competitors in the future are doing?https://www.justfinancefoundation.org.uk/ The Just Finance Foundation runs a project called LifeSavers. This is an innovative, values-based financial education programme for primary schools, teaching children how to manage money wisely. Offering a whole school approach, LifeSavers provides:  Resources and training for teachers Savings Clubs: giving children practical experience of handling and saving money A whole community approach, including parents, credit unions and other community groups Talking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
Notice: CFCFE CONFERENCE MARCH 29th 2021
Mar 5 2021
Notice: CFCFE CONFERENCE MARCH 29th 2021
Booking is now open for our first CFCFE conference of the year, on Monday 29th March.Towards New Business Models: great speakers and plenty of group discussion, looking at the 2021 and future external operating context, the importance of building a business model on a clear and agreed purpose, and credit union leader experience of making mergers work.Join other credit union leaders, directors, suppliers, regulators and policymakers for stimulating ideas and to share your own views, with plenty of opportunities for interaction. Book your place here!https://cfcfe.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/202011_CFCFE22_Social_Impact_Realising_Potential.pdfWhat is the issue?2020 saw a significant acceleration of the digitalisation of our societies and economies. Post-vaccines, most agree there will not be a great reversion to a 2019 way of life.Alongside impacts of the pandemic, the evolution of fintech and big data technology, such as open banking, will facilitate further significant change in the financial services industry, with uncertain consequence for consumer behaviour.For UK credit unions, the next 24 months may offer legislative change and widened scope for trading.Credit union leaders, both executives and directors, need to consider whether their business model is right for this environment. Some credit unions have seen merger as a strategic response to strengthen their organisations, but this is not an easy process to get right.This conference will consider the external operating context, the importance of building a business model on a clear and agreed purpose, and explore credit union leader experience of making mergers work.How will the online conference work?The conference will be presented on Zoom. We are working to deliver an enjoyable and interactive online experience of the conference. Details of how you can ask questions, join in discussion etc. will be sent to attendees nearer the time.Talking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
Credit Union Mergers - A strategic opportunity? EDITION 17
Feb 2 2021
Credit Union Mergers - A strategic opportunity? EDITION 17
An interview with Robert Kelly CEO at ABCUL (Assoc. of British Credit Unions Ltd). I was really interested in the news that ABCUL are to launch a Strategic Merger Taskforce. Robert Kelly, CEO at ABCUL, once again appears to tackle subjects that appear sometimes to be difficult to deal with but nevertheless are really of the moment. Credit Union mergers, or transfer of engagements, in the past have typically been a way of saving a struggling credit union from failure, by being absorbed into a healthier partner. However, could two, or more, credit unions join; and become strategically stronger by merging from a position of strength of their combined healthy businesses? This new task force should have its work cut out in helping understand what role mergers in boosting the sustainability drive for credit unions. A great deal has been said in recent times about the need for collaboration between credit unions and I know there are collaboration projects out there that are doing well, but I wonder if there is a co-operative way forward, it  could be a jointly owned ‘CUSO’s (credit union service organisations) or in some cases a strategic merger? It has to be said that sometimes, following mergers of any business, scale economies lead to tough outcomes for some stakeholders and I hope the boards of our credit unions are ready for that?Here's some of the questions I put to Robert:Tell us about the Strategic Merger Taskforce?What is a ‘strategic merger’ and why is ABCUL taking a role in facilitating this? Is there a lot of interest among ABCUL members?If credit unions are doing well, why would they take the risk of merging and fixing something that isn’t broken?What makes mergers successful, in your view? And what are the pitfalls?Is “merger” misleading? Aren’t the successful examples where it’s really an acquisition, i.e. where a successful leadership team effectively absorbing a new group of members into their existing arrangements?Perhaps some CEO's or board directors holding on to their positions, when this might be against their members’ interests? Talking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
Time for a New Credit Union Core Computer System? EDITION 16
Jan 8 2021
Time for a New Credit Union Core Computer System? EDITION 16
Over the last few years, the importance of flexible, efficient and modern technology has risen up the agenda for many credit unions. 2020 has made this even more pronounced, as the ability of organisation to serve members effectively while staff are remote from members (and each other) has been given a severe test. Sometimes credit unions come to the conclusion that their strategy cannot be delivered with the constraints of their current core processing and accounting system. But replacing this component of the business is daunting and can be compared to major surgery – expensive, painful and risky. Yet still critical to survival – so what to do?In this podcast you hear from two credit unions specialists that know this well trodden IT road and their insight and advice is both timely and straight forward.  Ralph Swoboda & Todd Proulx.Ralph Swoboda, the Chair of CFCFE, is also the Managing Director of CUFA Ltd., the Dublin based provider of financial analytics software to credit unions and other mutual financial firms. An attorney by training, he has forty-five years of experience in the USA and international credit union sector, having served as President/CEO of Credit Union National Association (the primary U.S. credit union trade body), as Chairman of the Management Committee of the Association of British Credit Unions, Ltd. (ABCUL), and later as head of International Operations for CUNA Mutual Group. After leaving CUNA Mutual in 2005, Ralph co-founded CUFA Ltd. and has provided consulting and executive-level project management services to credit unions and credit union organisations internationally. Ralph has also served as a director of credit union and co-operative organisations, including CARE USA, US Central Credit Union, and the Filene Research Institute (of which he was one of the founders). Contact Ralph: ralphswoboda@cfcfe.eu Todd Proulx, a consultant with vast experience of core system replacement projects, has written a paper for CFCFE on how to approach this vital issue. In ‘When it Hurts More to Stay Than to Leave: Time for a New Core System?‘, Todd offers wise advice on what might drive a credit union to switch providers, how to conduct a robust procurement process and some of the key functionality that a solution needs to be able to support. Todd concludes with the reminder that “a core system should never dictate or limit credit union business strategy.”Talking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
Diversity in the Credit Union Boardroom - EDITION 15
Dec 3 2020
Diversity in the Credit Union Boardroom - EDITION 15
What a year for this agenda. First came shock; and then came shows of support. But they’re only worth a penny if we do not move to meaningful action and concrete change. Change you can see. Change you can measure. And change that makes a material difference to people’s lives. To achieve that, we can’t just speak about one aspect of diversity and inclusion without also understanding the importance of all others, and how they intersect to make up someone’s experiences. But following the killing of George Floyd, much of the push for action in recent months has quite rightly been focused on addressing systematic racial and ethnic inequality.For me, this is first and foremost a moral question. Not just as a human being, but also as a producer of podcasts for credit unions. I have always believed that credit unions are superb institutions in helping people get in and on in life.But still too many people, because of their gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, background, or circumstance, find themselves unfairly held back. Their route barred, and talents ignored. I believe that no-one should have to experience that. And I believe that credit unions – among many institutions in society – should be best placed to help solve this problem. We are fast, we work in teams, we help people fulfil their potential.I’ve got an excellent line up of expert speakers to inform and inspire you on this podcast. And let’s be honest, it’s their voices, stories, and insights that you’re tuning in to hear. Not mine. Listen to:Robert Kelly, CEO ABCULMarlene Sheils, CEO Capital Credit UnionValerie Walwyn-Tait, CEO Planesaver Credit UnionKarl George MBE, The Governance ForumRob Shearing, CEO Wolverhampton Credit UnionKevin Fearon, Chair Wolverhampton Credit UnionTalking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com
Interest rate caps with Dr Olive McCarthy - EDITION 13
Nov 13 2020
Interest rate caps with Dr Olive McCarthy - EDITION 13
Olive McCarthy is an active member of St. Michael's Credit Union, Cork, Ireland. She receives research funding from a wide array of external sources, including government bodies, NGOs and sectoral organisations. She is a member of the Credit Union Advisory Committee, appointed by the Irish Minister for Finance.The cost of accessing small personal loans can be eye-wateringly high for those who need it most. Take the UK, where a £200 loan from Provident Personal Credit over 13 weeks costs £86 in interest. That’s an equivalent APR of a whopping 1,557.7%.These offers are available even after the caps on payday loans that the UK introduced five years ago. In the months after the reforms, the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) reported that the number of loans and the overall amount borrowed was down 35%. From there, the decrease continued: there were 5.4 million high-cost loans totalling £1.3 billion in 2018 with the total amount repayable at £2.1 billion; five years earlier, there had been 10.3 million loans worth £2.5 billion.Yet clearly, high-cost credit has not gone away entirely, and it looks set to get bigger again. Provident, the UK and Ireland’s largest high-cost doorstep credit provider, is anticipating increased demand when unemployment rises as the UK furlough scheme winds down. The lender has reportedly put aside £240 million for a surge in defaults.So, what have we learned since the rules changed, and will those who need credit be able to access it in the wake of the pandemic?To cap or not to cap?High interest rates are usually justified by the argument that the borrowers are more likely to default, often having been turned down elsewhere. Higher rates compensate the lender for higher risk.People often borrow on the basis of convenience and whether they can afford the repayments, rather than the cost of the loan. This can lead to financial strain, repeat borrowing and defaults. After all, credit is debt.Nonetheless, the debate continues among policy experts worldwide about whether caps are the best response. Supporters point out that restrictions have reduced the cost of credit for low-income borrowers, tackled over-indebtedness and helped to prevent people from being exploited.Some consumers may no longer have access to credit because of providers changing their business models or exiting the market, but many of these people would probably not pass a rigorous affordability check and may be over-indebted already.Opponents highlight the possible unintended consequences. As well as less access to credit, they worry about the potential for more illegal moneylenders, and loans companies introducing charges that circumvent the restrictions.Swayed by these arguments, Ireland is among a minority of European countries to favour increasing regulation and supervision over caps. For example, high-cost warnings in loans advertising became a requirement from September 1. Although the government Talking Credit Unions with Chris Smith is a regular podcast dedicated to informing credit union practitioners, leaders and opinion formers on variety of industry topics. To contact Chris Smith, smithowls@gmail.com