The mention of Taylor Swift generally elicits one of two opposite reactions. People either adore the singer or judge her music and public persona. No one understands those viewpoints better than the hosts of The Swift Talk - A Taylor Swift Podcast.

First, there's Kait Smith. She's what people refer to in the fandom as a Swiftie. She has memorized the lyrics to most of Taylor Swift's songs. She has been to concerts, bought the merch, and followed Swift's career through the years. More than that, she knows exactly the meaning behind each line and rhythm. Kait has extensive knowledge of the singer's personal life, which shows on the podcast. It's enough to recognize any dates, specific events, and people in the songs, to build a whole narrative.

Then, there's Sam Bennett. He might not be what the singer defines as a "hater" in Taylor's popular song "Shake It Off." But he's not a lover of her music or her in general. The few songs that he does know (because he doesn't live under a rock) he does not like. He doesn't wish to listen to others. He's a cynic about Swift's success and will find any chance to bring that up. One might wonder why he would even agree to be on The Swift Talk - A Taylor Swift Podcast.

But it's Kait's role, with every passing episode, to try to convert Sam into a fan. Since Sam is a reasonable man, he accepts that there might be something there and is willing to hear her out. That's the crux of The Swift Talk - A Taylor Swift Podcast. One person, who is a Swift expert, tries to explain why the artist is so brilliant. The other, a Swift naysayer, rebuts every statement she makes.

The bickering and banter of the hosts of The Swift Talk - A Taylor Swift Podcast are always entertaining. For Swiftie listeners, hearing the times when Sam backs down can be fun. For the non-fans, learning about the Easter eggs and connections in the artist's music from a true enthusiast can be fascinating.